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I use rg, exa, bat, and zellij as my "rust replaced old stuff". Zellij isn't yet as polished as I'd like it, but it's way more intuitive than tmux.

hultner 4y ago
Oh god, is tmux considered “old stuff” now? I barely finished replacing my screens.
- tomjakubowski 4y ago
  It happens to all of us. Did you know Interstellar came out eight years ago?
- lillecarl 4y ago
  I actually started with screen, but I only used it for daemonising some foreground processes, I work in Zellij daily.
tomjakubowski 4y ago
Usually you have to install tmux on a remote machine anyway, so Zellij seems like a good one of these to try.
- krylon 4y ago
  OpenBSD ships tmux in the base system. I would be very pleased if more systems did this.
apgwoz 4y ago
The names of these utilities are bad. I have literally no idea what any of them do. The same could be said for standard unix utilities, true, but they have 50+ years (in some cases) of brain bake in, and have the advantage of names that have _some_ relation to their function (ls : list files :: exa : “extract the list of files from a dirent?”)
- lillecarl 4y ago
  Does it really matter though? You can just alias them over the originals or something close-by.
  - apgwoz 4y ago
    Yes, you can do that. But that exasperates the system portability problem. The real solution is for some distro to, gasp, decide that POSIX compatibility can be done with utilities in /opt/posix (or something) and do widespread replacement by default. But that’ll never happen…
    - lillecarl 4y ago
      In your scripts you can use "/usr/bin/env cat" to get whichever version of cat is first in your PATH. NixOS abuses this to an almost silly level :)
- mcronce 4y ago
  At some point you have to accept that if you want to know something, you have to learn it. At one point, you didn't know grep, awk, sed, etc... And then you learned them. Or you can just stick with the old tools if you prefer not learning a new thing - that's a perfectly valid option.

hultner 4y ago

Oh god, is tmux considered “old stuff” now? I barely finished replacing my screens.

tomjakubowski 4y ago
It happens to all of us. Did you know Interstellar came out eight years ago?
lillecarl 4y ago
I actually started with screen, but I only used it for daemonising some foreground processes, I work in Zellij daily.

tomjakubowski 4y ago

Usually you have to install tmux on a remote machine anyway, so Zellij seems like a good one of these to try.

krylon 4y ago
OpenBSD ships tmux in the base system. I would be very pleased if more systems did this.

apgwoz 4y ago

The names of these utilities are bad. I have literally no idea what any of them do. The same could be said for standard unix utilities, true, but they have 50+ years (in some cases) of brain bake in, and have the advantage of names that have _some_ relation to their function (ls : list files :: exa : “extract the list of files from a dirent?”)

lillecarl 4y ago
Does it really matter though? You can just alias them over the originals or something close-by.
- apgwoz 4y ago
  Yes, you can do that. But that exasperates the system portability problem. The real solution is for some distro to, gasp, decide that POSIX compatibility can be done with utilities in /opt/posix (or something) and do widespread replacement by default. But that’ll never happen…
  - lillecarl 4y ago
    In your scripts you can use "/usr/bin/env cat" to get whichever version of cat is first in your PATH. NixOS abuses this to an almost silly level :)
mcronce 4y ago
At some point you have to accept that if you want to know something, you have to learn it. At one point, you didn't know grep, awk, sed, etc... And then you learned them. Or you can just stick with the old tools if you prefer not learning a new thing - that's a perfectly valid option.