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> Who said that? Who said I said that anybody said that? I was giving an example of something that actually is politically incorrect, which your example wasn't

> Who said that? Who said I said that anybody said that? I was giving an example of something that actually is politically incorrect, which your example wasn't. > Once again, who actually did that? I figured that you might, and indeed you did in the next sentence. > A culture that normalises or encourages single parents over the alternatives results in worse outcomes for those kids. Slaves were not permitted to marry. Children of unmarried slaves learned how to live from their unmarried parents. You're blaming the victims instead of helping them. In the next paragraphs you claim that they want to live this way and that this can't be changed. After the fall of the Roman empire, Europeans didn't bathe except a few times in their life, living in filth and dying of filth-related diseases. This didn't change until enlightenment thinking forced upon them caused large culture shifts. > Whites don't have the best outcomes, Asians have better outcomes Tell that to Indians living in India. Tell that to children of Chinese migrant workers, including the descendants of railroad workers living in Chinatown slums today. https://clb.org.hk/content/migrant-workers-and-their-children https://clb.org.hk/content/migrant-workers-and-their-childre... Tell that to children of Nigerian immigrants. https://medium.com/@joecarleton/why-nigerian-immigrants-are-the-most-successful-ethnic-group-in-the-u-s-23a7ea5a0832 https://medium.com/@joecarleton/why-nigerian-immigrants-are-...

lelanthran 4y ago
> Slaves were not permitted to marry. Children of unmarried slaves learned how to live from their unmarried parents. You're blaming the victims instead of helping them. We aren't talking slaves, we're talking about people who are, by and large, free to make their own life choices. > In the next paragraphs you claim that they want to live this way and that this can't be changed. I did not make that claim, nor did I make any claims about slaves, ancient romans and/or europeans. Your argument appears to work only when used against extremes. I merely pointed out that people right now, not hundreds of years ago, are free to make life choices regarding education. That certain cultures do not prioritize education as much as others is not a point of contention. > Tell that to children of Nigerian immigrants. https://medium.com/@joecarleton/why-nigerian-immigrants-are- https://medium.com/@joecarleton/why-nigerian-immigrants-are-... You appear to be making my argument for me - that race is not a factor, but culture is. Those immigrant Nigerians are the same race as non-immigrant blacks in the US, but have better outcomes. That very article clearly shows how that culture prioritises education.
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  > We aren't talking slaves, we're talking about people who are, by and large, free to make their own life choices. Who were raised without both parents, which is all they know. This isn't some culture that they're saying is good and that they're trying to uphold, which you erroneously claim. > That certain cultures do not prioritize education as much as others is not a point of contention. That isn't. What is a point of contention is that you think they want to live that way and that this can't be changed. This was changed for many Europeans (and their descendants) long ago, though many remain superstitious halfwits who haven't yet been taught to think rationally and continue to do things like blaming people for their upbringing instead of fixing their environment. > That very article clearly shows how that culture prioritises education. And you seem to think that culture can't be changed. Nigerians in the west weren't always this way, and most Nigerians in Nigeria aren't this way.
  - lelanthran 4y ago
    > That isn't. What is a point of contention is that you think they want to live that way and that this can't be changed. I did not make that claim either. I said that pointing out the poor practices of some cultures are likely to be viewed by members of those cultures as an attack. So, no, I did not claim > people want to live that way and that this can't be changed. I did not do this either: > You're blaming the victims instead of helping them. I did not claim: > parenting doesn't matter, only the color of the child's skin. I did not > blame people who are in these situations instead of bringing about the change to fix it. You've put all those words into my mouth, and then proceeded to argue against them. You, on the other hand, actually did claim here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31707777 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31707777 the following: > Children raised by uneducated parents surrounded by crime are worse off due to their environment, and their culture is a product of that environment. And then happily posted evidence against that claim: > > Tell that to children of Nigerian immigrants.https://medium.com/@joecarleton/why-nigerian-immigrants-are-the-most-successful-ethnic-group-in-the-u-s-23a7ea5a0832 https://medium.com/@joecarleton/why-nigerian-immigrants-are-... You ignored this comment of mine: > There are multiple different cultures even in the same race group! So it's quite confusing to me why you immediately and so quickly responded to a race-based argument that was never made. I actually said that race doesn't matter. Your "evidence" you posted about the Nigerians actually supports what I said. I believe you are arguing in bad faith; you appear to have no desire for anything other than virtue signalling.

lelanthran 4y ago

> Slaves were not permitted to marry. Children of unmarried slaves learned how to live from their unmarried parents. You're blaming the victims instead of helping them. We aren't talking slaves, we're talking about people who are, by and large, free to make their own life choices. > In the next paragraphs you claim that they want to live this way and that this can't be changed. I did not make that claim, nor did I make any claims about slaves, ancient romans and/or europeans. Your argument appears to work only when used against extremes. I merely pointed out that people right now, not hundreds of years ago, are free to make life choices regarding education. That certain cultures do not prioritize education as much as others is not a point of contention. > Tell that to children of Nigerian immigrants. https://medium.com/@joecarleton/why-nigerian-immigrants-are- https://medium.com/@joecarleton/why-nigerian-immigrants-are-... You appear to be making my argument for me - that race is not a factor, but culture is. Those immigrant Nigerians are the same race as non-immigrant blacks in the US, but have better outcomes. That very article clearly shows how that culture prioritises education.

lern_too_spel 4y ago
> We aren't talking slaves, we're talking about people who are, by and large, free to make their own life choices. Who were raised without both parents, which is all they know. This isn't some culture that they're saying is good and that they're trying to uphold, which you erroneously claim. > That certain cultures do not prioritize education as much as others is not a point of contention. That isn't. What is a point of contention is that you think they want to live that way and that this can't be changed. This was changed for many Europeans (and their descendants) long ago, though many remain superstitious halfwits who haven't yet been taught to think rationally and continue to do things like blaming people for their upbringing instead of fixing their environment. > That very article clearly shows how that culture prioritises education. And you seem to think that culture can't be changed. Nigerians in the west weren't always this way, and most Nigerians in Nigeria aren't this way.
- lelanthran 4y ago
  > That isn't. What is a point of contention is that you think they want to live that way and that this can't be changed. I did not make that claim either. I said that pointing out the poor practices of some cultures are likely to be viewed by members of those cultures as an attack. So, no, I did not claim > people want to live that way and that this can't be changed. I did not do this either: > You're blaming the victims instead of helping them. I did not claim: > parenting doesn't matter, only the color of the child's skin. I did not > blame people who are in these situations instead of bringing about the change to fix it. You've put all those words into my mouth, and then proceeded to argue against them. You, on the other hand, actually did claim here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31707777 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31707777 the following: > Children raised by uneducated parents surrounded by crime are worse off due to their environment, and their culture is a product of that environment. And then happily posted evidence against that claim: > > Tell that to children of Nigerian immigrants.https://medium.com/@joecarleton/why-nigerian-immigrants-are-the-most-successful-ethnic-group-in-the-u-s-23a7ea5a0832 https://medium.com/@joecarleton/why-nigerian-immigrants-are-... You ignored this comment of mine: > There are multiple different cultures even in the same race group! So it's quite confusing to me why you immediately and so quickly responded to a race-based argument that was never made. I actually said that race doesn't matter. Your "evidence" you posted about the Nigerians actually supports what I said. I believe you are arguing in bad faith; you appear to have no desire for anything other than virtue signalling.