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> And that's with maybe using 20% of Russias military capacity. Let's not fool ourselves here: if there was a way for Putin to avoid looking like an idiot who

> And that's with maybe using 20% of Russias military capacity. Let's not fool ourselves here: if there was a way for Putin to avoid looking like an idiot who struggles to take even parts of Ukraine he would take it. Truth is he failed spectacularily and everyone who has the slightest idea can see for themselves that Russia is struggling mightily despite their initial backstab where they had a few hours to bomb Ukraine and insert troops at will despite their promises the night before. They fail despite having multiple influential politicians who they had bribed in advance, multiple sleeper cells, and, on the paper, a much much stronger army. He has already sent the troops that was supposed to protect the strategically important Murmansk area, proving 1.) The Ukraine invasion is massively important to him 2.) He also proved all the words about being afraid of Nato is just a waste of perfectly fine silence, as he knows perfectly well that Nato is mostly peaceful and has not intention of invading or nuking Russia. After all he removed these troops while Nato, Sweden and Finland was gathering lots of troops right across the border :-D > All according to western sources. Someone dubbed Heissentruths, truths whose exact value cannot be known until you open the box. Russians and their friends has a lot of Heissentruths. Western media being a reliable source is one of these. In this case it is absolutely true and very reliable, in another case were they point out the Russian attempts at genocide they are of course absolutely unreliable and only fools would refer to them. Edit: If Nato joins the conflict, Russian authorities only hope is their strategic weapons. And given what we have seen about how well the kleptocracy maintains their conventional weapons I am somewhat less worried about that then what I was in February/March. I have a feeling they too have noted this as I hear less and less mentions of this option from them, so it is either that they have realized the red button won't work or they are preparing a surprise.

cpursley 4y ago
> If Nato joins the conflict, Russian authorities only hope is their strategic weapons. If Nato joins the conflict, they will very quickly get aquatinted with Kinzhal, Tsirkon & Avangard hypersonics (un-interceptable as of now) loaded with conventional warheads (non-nuke) followed by a barrage of their other (of larger variety and longer range than anything western) ballistic stand-off weapons. For now, Russia has the advantage in ballistics and layered air defense (S-300, 400 & 500, Pantsir + electronic warfare systems). They also have an advantage in field artillery (more variety & longer range than anything western). Even the US president had to admit the hypersonic complication.
- trasz 4y ago
  >If Nato joins the conflict, they will very quickly get aquatinted with Kinzhal, Tsirkon & Avangard hypersonics Meanwhile, in the real world, Russia has to resort to anti-ship missiles, because it’s running out of cruise missiles.
- reitanqild 4y ago
  You really believe that the guys who can't properly weld an armoured vehicle can produce ICBMs? That the guys who cannot produce their own cannon barrels any longer are capable of creating rocket engines? That the guys who cannot prevent thieves from stealing electronics from their doomsday plane are somehow capable to produce, maintain and secure a fleet of ICBMs? Are you really sure that the Russian cleptocracy that sends sappers to the front line with wooden bricks wrapped up as TNT (yep) and styrofoam wrapped up as dry rations for "liberated" civilians are somehow capable of maintaining a fleet of strategic missiles at 1/100 of the budget that US spends to maintain theirs? I'm not. But I am afraid that if we give them 5 years they will manage to get something working. And that scares me more than the thought of angering Putin right now. Luckily I don't have to make this decisions, we have people in Nato who knows extremely much more than me. If they tell me to show up I do.
  - trasz 4y ago
    Tbh this “angering Putin” might make sense. As long as Rashists believe they can win, they continue to bleed out. When they realize they can’t win this, they could try something else, so it makes sense to try to defer that.
  - cpursley 4y ago
    So all the videos getting posted by Ukrainians of missiles zipping through the sky as well as missile strikes are fakes? The western news showing video clips of Russian missiles hitting Ukrainian infrastructure like bridges and bases are fakes? The Pentagon openly saying that Russia has been using hypersonics - fakes? The Russian RD-180 rocket engines powering NASAs Atlas V are fakes? Do you have access to a computer and basic Google skills?
stelonix 4y ago
> Western media being a reliable source is one of these If you are a westerner, sure. If you follow non-western sources, you'll see there's no imminent coup on Putin, you'll see many testimonials of Azov torturing eastern Ukrainians, you'll see Russia slowly advancing into Ukraine, you'll know about mass Ukrainian soldiers defecting, you'll know casualty reporting by western media is either wrong or pure propaganda... The GP is correct, it'd be better for west's supporters to pay attention to what's happening on the battlefield instead of the obvious (to non-westerners) propaganda that's being spread. To sum it up, Ukraine is not winning and the Russian army is not a pack of doofus.
- cpursley 4y ago
  Even tidbits of truth accidentally seep through western media despite the massive campaign of consent and huge PR spending by the Ukrainian government: https://pictures.reuters.com/Assets/V2/ChFSVFNTNTAwMDAwMDAwMDAwNhIDVFIzGhlcVFIzXGRcNFwwXDJcUlRTOElCWjQuanBnIgQIARAPQAE-~/2C0FQE10OKFG9/a3go6StpHYfVz6ap/RTS8IBZ4.jpg https://pictures.reuters.com/Assets/V2/ChFSVFNTNTAwMDAwMDAwM... ^ Adorable unicorn-rainbow tattoo; probably just one of those temporary ones. Let's send him and his buddies more power weapons.
  - reitanqild 4y ago
    Please look up Task Force Rusisch. Because Russians, unlike Ukrainians still have plenty of Nazis fighting for them.
    - cpursley 4y ago
      You're deflecting. And making excuses for actual Nazis.
      - reitanqild 4y ago
        No. I'm telling you outright that Ukrainians got their nazi problem under control during the last eight years while Russia did not and in fact encourages groups like Task Force Rusisch. You are showing me half a tatoo in an image out of context. I'm giving you and everyone else here some pointers to look up whole nazi detachments of the Russian army.

cpursley 4y ago

> If Nato joins the conflict, Russian authorities only hope is their strategic weapons. If Nato joins the conflict, they will very quickly get aquatinted with Kinzhal, Tsirkon & Avangard hypersonics (un-interceptable as of now) loaded with conventional warheads (non-nuke) followed by a barrage of their other (of larger variety and longer range than anything western) ballistic stand-off weapons. For now, Russia has the advantage in ballistics and layered air defense (S-300, 400 & 500, Pantsir + electronic warfare systems). They also have an advantage in field artillery (more variety & longer range than anything western). Even the US president had to admit the hypersonic complication.

trasz 4y ago
>If Nato joins the conflict, they will very quickly get aquatinted with Kinzhal, Tsirkon & Avangard hypersonics Meanwhile, in the real world, Russia has to resort to anti-ship missiles, because it’s running out of cruise missiles.
reitanqild 4y ago
You really believe that the guys who can't properly weld an armoured vehicle can produce ICBMs? That the guys who cannot produce their own cannon barrels any longer are capable of creating rocket engines? That the guys who cannot prevent thieves from stealing electronics from their doomsday plane are somehow capable to produce, maintain and secure a fleet of ICBMs? Are you really sure that the Russian cleptocracy that sends sappers to the front line with wooden bricks wrapped up as TNT (yep) and styrofoam wrapped up as dry rations for "liberated" civilians are somehow capable of maintaining a fleet of strategic missiles at 1/100 of the budget that US spends to maintain theirs? I'm not. But I am afraid that if we give them 5 years they will manage to get something working. And that scares me more than the thought of angering Putin right now. Luckily I don't have to make this decisions, we have people in Nato who knows extremely much more than me. If they tell me to show up I do.
- trasz 4y ago
  Tbh this “angering Putin” might make sense. As long as Rashists believe they can win, they continue to bleed out. When they realize they can’t win this, they could try something else, so it makes sense to try to defer that.
- cpursley 4y ago
  So all the videos getting posted by Ukrainians of missiles zipping through the sky as well as missile strikes are fakes? The western news showing video clips of Russian missiles hitting Ukrainian infrastructure like bridges and bases are fakes? The Pentagon openly saying that Russia has been using hypersonics - fakes? The Russian RD-180 rocket engines powering NASAs Atlas V are fakes? Do you have access to a computer and basic Google skills?

stelonix 4y ago

> Western media being a reliable source is one of these If you are a westerner, sure. If you follow non-western sources, you'll see there's no imminent coup on Putin, you'll see many testimonials of Azov torturing eastern Ukrainians, you'll see Russia slowly advancing into Ukraine, you'll know about mass Ukrainian soldiers defecting, you'll know casualty reporting by western media is either wrong or pure propaganda... The GP is correct, it'd be better for west's supporters to pay attention to what's happening on the battlefield instead of the obvious (to non-westerners) propaganda that's being spread. To sum it up, Ukraine is not winning and the Russian army is not a pack of doofus.

cpursley 4y ago
Even tidbits of truth accidentally seep through western media despite the massive campaign of consent and huge PR spending by the Ukrainian government: https://pictures.reuters.com/Assets/V2/ChFSVFNTNTAwMDAwMDAwMDAwNhIDVFIzGhlcVFIzXGRcNFwwXDJcUlRTOElCWjQuanBnIgQIARAPQAE-~/2C0FQE10OKFG9/a3go6StpHYfVz6ap/RTS8IBZ4.jpg https://pictures.reuters.com/Assets/V2/ChFSVFNTNTAwMDAwMDAwM... ^ Adorable unicorn-rainbow tattoo; probably just one of those temporary ones. Let's send him and his buddies more power weapons.
- reitanqild 4y ago
  Please look up Task Force Rusisch. Because Russians, unlike Ukrainians still have plenty of Nazis fighting for them.
  - cpursley 4y ago
    You're deflecting. And making excuses for actual Nazis.
    - reitanqild 4y ago
      No. I'm telling you outright that Ukrainians got their nazi problem under control during the last eight years while Russia did not and in fact encourages groups like Task Force Rusisch. You are showing me half a tatoo in an image out of context. I'm giving you and everyone else here some pointers to look up whole nazi detachments of the Russian army.