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In describing what Mickelwait did for her: > “Laila was so helpful,” Rachel told me. “She did more for me than any police or anyone in the U.K. ever did.” You

by troupe 4y ago

In describing what Mickelwait did for her: > “Laila was so helpful,” Rachel told me. “She did more for me than any police or anyone in the U.K. ever did.” You might not like Exodus Cry. You might not believe in everything they believe in. But for the girl in the article, they did something that she couldn't get anyone else to help her with. But they are helping some people like "Rachel" in ways that, hopefully, you can support as being a good thing.

Retr0id 4y ago
Yes, sometimes bad people do good things, for the wrong reasons. There are countless stories of men offering to house female Ukrainian refugees, with the explicit goal of getting in their pants. Would you ask me to "support" those men, too? Further, we can acknowledge Exodus Cry's background and intentions, without letting it detract from the significance of the issues involving PornHub.
- troupe 4y ago
  It appears that you want to classify Mickelwait as a "bad person" equivalent to men who are trying to rape refugees because you can find something you think she may believe about religion, morality, or politics that you disagree with. I would suggest that type of polarization is very detrimental to society. You may disagree with my opinion on that and may even consider me a "bad person" because we disagree.
  - dismantlethesun 4y ago
    No they're not trying to 'rape' refugees. They're trying to "get in their pants". There's hundreds of scenarios where that is entirely consensual (e.g. people seeking sex for comfort, people using sex to gain stability in a strange country, romance forming from mere closeness, etc.). In a thread where we are talking about the sex industry and consent, I think we ought to be more careful with our language and assumptions. I think the above poster merely meant that Mickelwait has ulterior motives, and potentially gains something out of this transaction so we should acknowledge that even while acknowledging the good that is done incidentally.

by troupe 4y ago

Retr0id 4y ago

Yes, sometimes bad people do good things, for the wrong reasons. There are countless stories of men offering to house female Ukrainian refugees, with the explicit goal of getting in their pants. Would you ask me to "support" those men, too? Further, we can acknowledge Exodus Cry's background and intentions, without letting it detract from the significance of the issues involving PornHub.

troupe 4y ago
It appears that you want to classify Mickelwait as a "bad person" equivalent to men who are trying to rape refugees because you can find something you think she may believe about religion, morality, or politics that you disagree with. I would suggest that type of polarization is very detrimental to society. You may disagree with my opinion on that and may even consider me a "bad person" because we disagree.
- dismantlethesun 4y ago
  No they're not trying to 'rape' refugees. They're trying to "get in their pants". There's hundreds of scenarios where that is entirely consensual (e.g. people seeking sex for comfort, people using sex to gain stability in a strange country, romance forming from mere closeness, etc.). In a thread where we are talking about the sex industry and consent, I think we ought to be more careful with our language and assumptions. I think the above poster merely meant that Mickelwait has ulterior motives, and potentially gains something out of this transaction so we should acknowledge that even while acknowledging the good that is done incidentally.