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The root of the problem here is in our culture which attaches intense artificial meaning to the idea of being seen naked or having sex. In the past I used to dr

The root of the problem here is in our culture which attaches intense artificial meaning to the idea of being seen naked or having sex. In the past I used to dread that, but I thought about what sense does that make and now I don't care. The whole problem is in our heads: it makes a victim to struggle and the villain to consider this a crime worth committing. And it doesn't occur in our heads naturally, we are taught this way. I would bet this generally is much less of a problem in the EU than it is in the US.

GekkePrutser 4y ago
> I would bet this generally is much less of a problem in the EU than it is in the US. It depends on the country. UK and in particular Ireland are very traditional countries. The UK has their renaissance of victorian morals through the conservative party and Ireland has the catholic morals weighing down on it. I remember living in Ireland and a sex shop opened in the town. Not even a cinema/video booth kinda place, but just one selling toys. And pretty suave ones too (think Lelo, not Tarzan), the kind where the actual purpose is not blindingly obvious :) The whole neighbourhood had sit-ins to protest, it was ridiculous to me, to be honest. The Netherlands and Germany are very liberal with these things. In other countries it differs. In Spain it's frowned upon by the traditionalists and strict catholics but other groups are more free. Other countries I don't have enough experience with to comment. PS: I assume there is a huge difference in the US between states too. I can't imagine a state like Utah having the same morals as New York.
yieldcrv 4y ago
Consent is important no matter what the subject or content is. I agree that the concern of this content shouldn't have the effect that it does for many people, like there should be no consequence towards the victim just because their family or coworkers saw the content without their consent (or at all.) For most people, this is currently an aspirational reality to suggest.

GekkePrutser 4y ago

> I would bet this generally is much less of a problem in the EU than it is in the US. It depends on the country. UK and in particular Ireland are very traditional countries. The UK has their renaissance of victorian morals through the conservative party and Ireland has the catholic morals weighing down on it. I remember living in Ireland and a sex shop opened in the town. Not even a cinema/video booth kinda place, but just one selling toys. And pretty suave ones too (think Lelo, not Tarzan), the kind where the actual purpose is not blindingly obvious :) The whole neighbourhood had sit-ins to protest, it was ridiculous to me, to be honest. The Netherlands and Germany are very liberal with these things. In other countries it differs. In Spain it's frowned upon by the traditionalists and strict catholics but other groups are more free. Other countries I don't have enough experience with to comment. PS: I assume there is a huge difference in the US between states too. I can't imagine a state like Utah having the same morals as New York.

yieldcrv 4y ago

Consent is important no matter what the subject or content is. I agree that the concern of this content shouldn't have the effect that it does for many people, like there should be no consequence towards the victim just because their family or coworkers saw the content without their consent (or at all.) For most people, this is currently an aspirational reality to suggest.