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No. My least favorite part of HN is all the meta-debates about karma, downvotes, "is this HN?", etc. Can we just skip all the meta-debates, and focus on intere

by aneesh 18y ago

No. My least favorite part of HN is all the meta-debates about karma, downvotes, "is this HN?", etc. Can we just skip all the meta-debates, and focus on interesting hacker news? So what if you have 50 less karma than you think you should? So what if there are 4 articles that you think aren't hacker news? (Just don't click on or upvote them).

jlopez 18y ago
I was not thinking in karma, actually I don't care about it. My point is that hacker news is to share knowledge or ideas and if you are going to say that you don't like a post then you should share with the community your point of view so we can learn from each other.
- SwellJoe 18y ago
  then you should share with the community your point of view so we can learn from each other This is not the third grade, and our discussions are not chewing gum or a note being passed. If someone has something to add, they will. This is already possible. Everyone can comment on any comment. You are asking to formalize something that already exists, and to do so in a stupidly paternalistic manner. Personally, I don't come to HN to provide feedback on every dumbass post that I think is dumb. (Though I very, very, rarely downvote. I'm far more likely to call something stupid in a comment and explain why...but I don't think anyone should be forced to explain why they think something is stupid. A downvote is a much more concise and efficient way to say it. I just happen to be a blowhard that enjoys the sound of my own voice, and so I comment a lot more than I vote.) And, I agree with the above: Meta-discussion about karma and voting is just annoying. Stop doing it. It's irritating, and this kind of suggestion comes up every couple of weeks or so and gets shouted down because most of us disagree pretty strongly with it...just as this one has been.
jhancock 18y ago
I don't even know how to "downvote". My interface only shows up arrows. I agree that simplicity is key assuming you can rely on community decency.
- streety 18y ago
  You need a certain level of karma before it becomes a issue. I think it's 50. Possibly 100 or it's 50 and then you can flag submissions at 100. Anyway, there are cutoffs.
iigs 18y ago
Honestly I find discussing this topic (regulating forum karma) pretty interesting. Granted, articles that are toned to imply someone's whining about being downmodded are kind of frustrating, but I don't think the overall idea is any less "relevant to hackers" than any number of other things that are accepted here. The various approaches to karma, when well applied, have the ability to mitigate some pretty challenging social problems (trolling, etc). Math applied to meatspace issues seems like a geeky topic with the power to make a real difference in peoples lives. To wit: http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html

by aneesh 18y ago

jlopez 18y ago

I was not thinking in karma, actually I don't care about it. My point is that hacker news is to share knowledge or ideas and if you are going to say that you don't like a post then you should share with the community your point of view so we can learn from each other.

SwellJoe 18y ago
then you should share with the community your point of view so we can learn from each other This is not the third grade, and our discussions are not chewing gum or a note being passed. If someone has something to add, they will. This is already possible. Everyone can comment on any comment. You are asking to formalize something that already exists, and to do so in a stupidly paternalistic manner. Personally, I don't come to HN to provide feedback on every dumbass post that I think is dumb. (Though I very, very, rarely downvote. I'm far more likely to call something stupid in a comment and explain why...but I don't think anyone should be forced to explain why they think something is stupid. A downvote is a much more concise and efficient way to say it. I just happen to be a blowhard that enjoys the sound of my own voice, and so I comment a lot more than I vote.) And, I agree with the above: Meta-discussion about karma and voting is just annoying. Stop doing it. It's irritating, and this kind of suggestion comes up every couple of weeks or so and gets shouted down because most of us disagree pretty strongly with it...just as this one has been.

jhancock 18y ago

I don't even know how to "downvote". My interface only shows up arrows. I agree that simplicity is key assuming you can rely on community decency.

streety 18y ago
You need a certain level of karma before it becomes a issue. I think it's 50. Possibly 100 or it's 50 and then you can flag submissions at 100. Anyway, there are cutoffs.

iigs 18y ago

Honestly I find discussing this topic (regulating forum karma) pretty interesting. Granted, articles that are toned to imply someone's whining about being downmodded are kind of frustrating, but I don't think the overall idea is any less "relevant to hackers" than any number of other things that are accepted here. The various approaches to karma, when well applied, have the ability to mitigate some pretty challenging social problems (trolling, etc). Math applied to meatspace issues seems like a geeky topic with the power to make a real difference in peoples lives. To wit: http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html