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It's essentially the same issue as with various types of… bad content… on other platforms like YouTube. There's so much uploaded all the time that nothing is re

It's essentially the same issue as with various types of… bad content… on other platforms like YouTube. There's so much uploaded all the time that nothing is reviewed by humans until it's already out there. It's just that with porn sites, sexual content isn't forbidden by the terms of service, so taking down nonconsensual sexual content requires disputing the nonconsensual part, not the sexual part. And obviously that's a much more sensitive problem than the things e.g. YouTube generally gets criticism for. It's a tricky issue. I think the measures they've announced to verify identities when uploading are probably the biggest thing they could do without a complete change of business model.

trasz 4y ago
It's a very simple issue: companies want to keep their operating costs as low as possible, so they don't care about reviewing the content.
- zeroonetwothree 4y ago
  Presumably consumers also want to pay as little as possible ($0) for the content.
  - sofixa 4y ago
    And presumably most porn consumers would like that consumption to be untraceable to their real life identity.
mschuster91 4y ago
It should be easy enough to require companies to scan the video in their archives with AI facial detection when a person complains and supplies a picture of their face (or it can be extracted out of an existing upload). The technology is there, it works reasonably well to at least take down the majority of material, and given the impact that the circulation of non-consensually taken material has it should really be a requirement for Pornhub and friends (aren't they all one and the same holding company anyway these days?) to maintain such systems and offer reasonable turnaround times. For known material or "compilation"-type videos, it should even be possible to implement a content-id like system.
- deleted 4y ago
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- mod 4y ago
  Deepfake a look alike, take down all your competition's content with fake claims.
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    For actual competitors, like legit porn stars with contracts, there are already record requirements per 18 USC § 2257. A company can easily use that information to validate incoming content removal requests.
colpabar 4y ago
>It's a tricky issue. I think the measures they've announced to verify identities when uploading are probably the biggest thing they could do without a complete change of business model. It is absolutely ridiculous to me that any porn tube site is/was allowed to operate without verifying identity, or at least somehow verifying age. If that makes their current business model unviable, then that business model should fail, because enforcing that all parties be verified >18 and consenting seems like the bare minimum for hosting adult content in a civilized society.
- LatteLazy 4y ago
  Put your money where your mouth is and share with us your name, address, DoB and credit card number!
  - Chris2048 4y ago
    But colpabar doesn't want to put any videos online, so why should they?
    - LatteLazy 4y ago
      - Chris2048 4y ago
        He could comment anything, including (textual) erotica and it wouldn't be child porn so how does it relate to this topic? Sounds like a slippery slope argument that if we can cp, all speech is next? Is it possible cp is categorically worse than offensive text?
      - colpabar 4y ago
        Why are you being so disingenuous? I have not argued that porn is immoral or should be banned or whatever anywhere. I don't like that pornhub operated for so long without requiring any sort of verification, and I think they should be held accountable.
akg_67 4y ago
> verify identities when uploading Then that identity data is breached and exploited like Ashley Madison.
- colpabar 4y ago
  So we have to choose between platforms implicitly allowing child pornography, or possibly storing data that could be leaked. I choose the latter.
  - numpad0 4y ago
    Why do everyone so casually snuck "child" before "porn"? Are they synonymous?
    - colpabar 4y ago
      No, I use the term "child porn" specifically because they are not synonymous. There is a difference between porn and child porn, and as a society we have decided that the latter is illegal and generally a horrific thing, and the people who produce it should be severely punished.
    - gundamdoubleO 4y ago
      Did you not read the subject matter the article talks about within the first few paragraphs?
jeroenhd 4y ago
According to the terms and conditions, uploading content to Pornhub requires a valid ID and facial scanning to confirm you're you. This can probably be faked or abused (if your abusive ex is in the video, so is their face scan) so you'd need a proper face scan of everybody in the video attached to the account. That can be tricky as there are plenty of videos where faces are intentionally not visible, but I suppose certain kinks could be sacrificed to get verification going. You can put weird stuff on YouTube much easier than you can on Pornhub. Tag any sexy poses as "naked yoga", edit some free spiritual music underneath it and you've got yourself a YouTube video.

trasz 4y ago

It's a very simple issue: companies want to keep their operating costs as low as possible, so they don't care about reviewing the content.

zeroonetwothree 4y ago
Presumably consumers also want to pay as little as possible ($0) for the content.
- sofixa 4y ago
  And presumably most porn consumers would like that consumption to be untraceable to their real life identity.

mschuster91 4y ago

It should be easy enough to require companies to scan the video in their archives with AI facial detection when a person complains and supplies a picture of their face (or it can be extracted out of an existing upload). The technology is there, it works reasonably well to at least take down the majority of material, and given the impact that the circulation of non-consensually taken material has it should really be a requirement for Pornhub and friends (aren't they all one and the same holding company anyway these days?) to maintain such systems and offer reasonable turnaround times. For known material or "compilation"-type videos, it should even be possible to implement a content-id like system.

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mod 4y ago
Deepfake a look alike, take down all your competition's content with fake claims.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  For actual competitors, like legit porn stars with contracts, there are already record requirements per 18 USC § 2257. A company can easily use that information to validate incoming content removal requests.

colpabar 4y ago

>It's a tricky issue. I think the measures they've announced to verify identities when uploading are probably the biggest thing they could do without a complete change of business model. It is absolutely ridiculous to me that any porn tube site is/was allowed to operate without verifying identity, or at least somehow verifying age. If that makes their current business model unviable, then that business model should fail, because enforcing that all parties be verified >18 and consenting seems like the bare minimum for hosting adult content in a civilized society.

LatteLazy 4y ago
Put your money where your mouth is and share with us your name, address, DoB and credit card number!
- Chris2048 4y ago
  But colpabar doesn't want to put any videos online, so why should they?
  - LatteLazy 4y ago
    - Chris2048 4y ago
      He could comment anything, including (textual) erotica and it wouldn't be child porn so how does it relate to this topic? Sounds like a slippery slope argument that if we can cp, all speech is next? Is it possible cp is categorically worse than offensive text?
    - colpabar 4y ago
      Why are you being so disingenuous? I have not argued that porn is immoral or should be banned or whatever anywhere. I don't like that pornhub operated for so long without requiring any sort of verification, and I think they should be held accountable.

akg_67 4y ago

> verify identities when uploading Then that identity data is breached and exploited like Ashley Madison.

colpabar 4y ago
So we have to choose between platforms implicitly allowing child pornography, or possibly storing data that could be leaked. I choose the latter.
- numpad0 4y ago
  Why do everyone so casually snuck "child" before "porn"? Are they synonymous?
  - colpabar 4y ago
    No, I use the term "child porn" specifically because they are not synonymous. There is a difference between porn and child porn, and as a society we have decided that the latter is illegal and generally a horrific thing, and the people who produce it should be severely punished.
  - gundamdoubleO 4y ago
    Did you not read the subject matter the article talks about within the first few paragraphs?

jeroenhd 4y ago

According to the terms and conditions, uploading content to Pornhub requires a valid ID and facial scanning to confirm you're you. This can probably be faked or abused (if your abusive ex is in the video, so is their face scan) so you'd need a proper face scan of everybody in the video attached to the account. That can be tricky as there are plenty of videos where faces are intentionally not visible, but I suppose certain kinks could be sacrificed to get verification going. You can put weird stuff on YouTube much easier than you can on Pornhub. Tag any sexy poses as "naked yoga", edit some free spiritual music underneath it and you've got yourself a YouTube video.