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Germany is a bit special here because refugees often are not allowed to work at all, or, depending on their status, are only allowed to work under certain condi

Germany is a bit special here because refugees often are not allowed to work at all, or, depending on their status, are only allowed to work under certain conditions. This was introduced by the conservative parties as a juridical answer to fears of immigrants "stealing" jobs.

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- bildung 4y ago
  It's literally law, and has been for decades. See here, directly from the federal government: https://www.bmas.de/DE/Arbeit/Fachkraeftesicherung-und-Integration/Migration-und-Arbeit/Flucht-und-Aysl/arbeitsmarktzugang-fuer-fluechtlinge.html https://www.bmas.de/DE/Arbeit/Fachkraeftesicherung-und-Integ...
  - hash07e 4y ago
    From google translator 1. after three months for asylum seekers who are not obliged to live in a reception facility, 2. after six months of asylum seekers with minor children, 3. after nine months of asylum seekers without minor children (even despite the obligation to live in a reception facility). Comparing to US A 565 Authorization to work in US is at 6-9 months wait. that study data was from 2016 onwards... There was enough time..
    - bildung 4y ago
      Those are * minimum times, i.e. they don't automatically have rights afterwards, but have to obtain a permission for working first ("Arbeitserlaubnis") * those minimum times prolong as long as immigrants live in special immigrant housing ("Aufnahmeeinrichtung"), i.e. as long es they don't live in normal housing. Which they can only get if the ministry grants them that (in my town there are still quite a share of syrian immigrants living in that kind of housing, not normal housing in town). * additionally, even after that, the employer has to show that a) no German of comparable qualification wanted the job, and b) no EU citizen of comparable qualification wanted the job. Edit: > that study data was from 2016 onwards... There was enough time.. "onwards" is only 2017. Your source only compares 2016 to 2017. 2016 is the year when most syrian refugees arrived in Germany. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fl%C3%BCchtlingskrise_in_Deutschland_2015/2016#/media/Datei:Zahl_der_Erstantr%C3%A4ge_auf_Asyl_(Eurostat).svg https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fl%C3%BCchtlingskrise_in_Deuts...
      - hash07e 4y ago
        even if you consider 11 months the data is still valid. Are we moving goal post?
- ginko 4y ago
  >The conservatives have no power in Germany Did you somehow miss 16 years of conservative government in Germany?
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    Conservative by German standards is pretty liberal by US standards.

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bildung 4y ago
It's literally law, and has been for decades. See here, directly from the federal government: https://www.bmas.de/DE/Arbeit/Fachkraeftesicherung-und-Integration/Migration-und-Arbeit/Flucht-und-Aysl/arbeitsmarktzugang-fuer-fluechtlinge.html https://www.bmas.de/DE/Arbeit/Fachkraeftesicherung-und-Integ...
- hash07e 4y ago
  From google translator 1. after three months for asylum seekers who are not obliged to live in a reception facility, 2. after six months of asylum seekers with minor children, 3. after nine months of asylum seekers without minor children (even despite the obligation to live in a reception facility). Comparing to US A 565 Authorization to work in US is at 6-9 months wait. that study data was from 2016 onwards... There was enough time..
  - bildung 4y ago
    Those are * minimum times, i.e. they don't automatically have rights afterwards, but have to obtain a permission for working first ("Arbeitserlaubnis") * those minimum times prolong as long as immigrants live in special immigrant housing ("Aufnahmeeinrichtung"), i.e. as long es they don't live in normal housing. Which they can only get if the ministry grants them that (in my town there are still quite a share of syrian immigrants living in that kind of housing, not normal housing in town). * additionally, even after that, the employer has to show that a) no German of comparable qualification wanted the job, and b) no EU citizen of comparable qualification wanted the job. Edit: > that study data was from 2016 onwards... There was enough time.. "onwards" is only 2017. Your source only compares 2016 to 2017. 2016 is the year when most syrian refugees arrived in Germany. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fl%C3%BCchtlingskrise_in_Deutschland_2015/2016#/media/Datei:Zahl_der_Erstantr%C3%A4ge_auf_Asyl_(Eurostat).svg https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fl%C3%BCchtlingskrise_in_Deuts...
    - hash07e 4y ago
      even if you consider 11 months the data is still valid. Are we moving goal post?
ginko 4y ago
>The conservatives have no power in Germany Did you somehow miss 16 years of conservative government in Germany?
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  Conservative by German standards is pretty liberal by US standards.