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Do you live in Europe? Car trips and plane trips are not interchangeable over here. If people ditch their cars, they won't be taking the plane instead, they wou

Do you live in Europe? Car trips and plane trips are not interchangeable over here. If people ditch their cars, they won't be taking the plane instead, they would only take planes for long distances. If they have those means, it's most likely they're already taking the plane for it. Furthermore, short haul flights are being banned in Europe.

koonsolo 4y ago
I live in Belgium, and at least here that's not true at all. People drive to the south during holidays. South of France, Spain, Italy, ... . And people from the Netherlands do even bigger distances than that, mostly with their camper. And when they don't drive, guess what we/they use: not trains, airplanes. Ryanair is really cheap on some flights. For myself, my wife is from Slovakia, so every year I drive at least once there (1200km). I can do that in 1 day with getting gas in the middle. My wife takes the plane with our youngest one. The reason I drive is because I take a lot of stuff, and want a big car there. If I wouldn't take the car (which sometimes happens), I take the plane, it's really fast. I don't want to imagine how long the train would take me, and how many times I have to switch...
- adrianN 4y ago
  You can also do that trip in an electric car in a day. That's at least a 12 hour drive. Stopping at a charger for fifteen minutes can be done as part of the breaks you need to take anyway to drive safely and doesn't increase you travelime meaningfully.
  - koonsolo 4y ago
    I hope the ranges will still drastically increase. I need a big car, and I was already looking at the Mercedes EQV. It currently has an official range of 363 km. So that would mean 4 stops. But I have no idea how much you can charge in 15 minutes. During lunch I could probably do 30 minutes.
    - adrianN 4y ago
      If you start full and arrive nearly empty you need to charge about 900km. The EQV charges at 5-7km/min@110kW so you need to charge for two to three hours during your trip. So you'd need only slightly longer than in a fossil car if you take the recommended ten minute breaks every hour of driving. (Given the charger network is sufficiently dense, which it currently isn't I suppose). There are already cars that charge at higher rates than 110kW. Teslas for example charge around 300km range in fifteen minutes at a supercharger.
- LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
  Ryanair starts and lands really far from some destinations. So much so, that it would almost make sense to use that so called 9-Euro ticket for public transit instead, which is available in Germany at the moment.

koonsolo 4y ago

I live in Belgium, and at least here that's not true at all. People drive to the south during holidays. South of France, Spain, Italy, ... . And people from the Netherlands do even bigger distances than that, mostly with their camper. And when they don't drive, guess what we/they use: not trains, airplanes. Ryanair is really cheap on some flights. For myself, my wife is from Slovakia, so every year I drive at least once there (1200km). I can do that in 1 day with getting gas in the middle. My wife takes the plane with our youngest one. The reason I drive is because I take a lot of stuff, and want a big car there. If I wouldn't take the car (which sometimes happens), I take the plane, it's really fast. I don't want to imagine how long the train would take me, and how many times I have to switch...

adrianN 4y ago
You can also do that trip in an electric car in a day. That's at least a 12 hour drive. Stopping at a charger for fifteen minutes can be done as part of the breaks you need to take anyway to drive safely and doesn't increase you travelime meaningfully.
- koonsolo 4y ago
  I hope the ranges will still drastically increase. I need a big car, and I was already looking at the Mercedes EQV. It currently has an official range of 363 km. So that would mean 4 stops. But I have no idea how much you can charge in 15 minutes. During lunch I could probably do 30 minutes.
  - adrianN 4y ago
    If you start full and arrive nearly empty you need to charge about 900km. The EQV charges at 5-7km/min@110kW so you need to charge for two to three hours during your trip. So you'd need only slightly longer than in a fossil car if you take the recommended ten minute breaks every hour of driving. (Given the charger network is sufficiently dense, which it currently isn't I suppose). There are already cars that charge at higher rates than 110kW. Teslas for example charge around 300km range in fifteen minutes at a supercharger.
LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
Ryanair starts and lands really far from some destinations. So much so, that it would almost make sense to use that so called 9-Euro ticket for public transit instead, which is available in Germany at the moment.