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> Let's see how "the market" likes being unable to drive to their beach holidays without infrastructure. This is banning the sale, not the use. And trains exis
by scrollaway 4y ago
> Let's see how "the market" likes being unable to drive to their beach holidays without infrastructure.
This is banning the sale, not the use. And trains exist in Europe.
- koonsolo 4y agoAirplanes are faster than trains.
- freemint 4y agoNot carbon neutral air planes.
- scrollaway 4y agoAnd a cheetah is faster than a tiger. Sorry, I don't understand your point if you have one.
- koonsolo 4y agoNot going to take a train when I can take a plane (which is not crazy expensive anyway). And as you know, planes are pretty polluting. So not sure that ditching driving to your destination is a positive evolution.
- scrollaway 4y agoDo you live in Europe? Car trips and plane trips are not interchangeable over here. If people ditch their cars, they won't be taking the plane instead, they would only take planes for long distances. If they have those means, it's most likely they're already taking the plane for it. Furthermore, short haul flights are being banned in Europe.
- koonsolo 4y agoI live in Belgium, and at least here that's not true at all. People drive to the south during holidays. South of France, Spain, Italy, ... . And people from the Netherlands do even bigger distances than that, mostly with their camper. And when they don't drive, guess what we/they use: not trains, airplanes. Ryanair is really cheap on some flights. For myself, my wife is from Slovakia, so every year I drive at least once there (1200km). I can do that in 1 day with getting gas in the middle. My wife takes the plane with our youngest one. The reason I drive is because I take a lot of stuff, and want a big car there. If I wouldn't take the car (which sometimes happens), I take the plane, it's really fast. I don't want to imagine how long the train would take me, and how many times I have to switch...
- adrianN 4y agoYou can also do that trip in an electric car in a day. That's at least a 12 hour drive. Stopping at a charger for fifteen minutes can be done as part of the breaks you need to take anyway to drive safely and doesn't increase you travelime meaningfully.
- koonsolo 4y agoI hope the ranges will still drastically increase. I need a big car, and I was already looking at the Mercedes EQV. It currently has an official range of 363 km. So that would mean 4 stops. But I have no idea how much you can charge in 15 minutes. During lunch I could probably do 30 minutes.
- adrianN 4y agoIf you start full and arrive nearly empty you need to charge about 900km. The EQV charges at 5-7km/min@110kW so you need to charge for two to three hours during your trip. So you'd need only slightly longer than in a fossil car if you take the recommended ten minute breaks every hour of driving. (Given the charger network is sufficiently dense, which it currently isn't I suppose). There are already cars that charge at higher rates than 110kW. Teslas for example charge around 300km range in fifteen minutes at a supercharger.
- adrianN 4y agoYou're not going to take the car when you can take a plane either.
- koonsolo 4y agoThat's not true here in Belgium and the Netherlands. See my comment above (or below)
- LargoLasskhyfv 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vactrain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vactrain ...err, Hy-prr-loup, Hy-prr-loup, Hy-prr-hrr-hpft...