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I am willing to bet a beer that it's only for new cars. The article links to a description : >In a plenary vote on Wednesday, MEPs adopted their position on pr

by Epa095 4y ago

I am willing to bet a beer that it's only for new cars. The article links to a description : >In a plenary vote on Wednesday, MEPs adopted their position on proposed rules to revise the CO2 emissions performance standards for *new* cars and vans with 339 votes in favour, 249 against and 24 abstentions. Many of the eu rules for cars are not retroactive. E.g I can use a old car without lighting for the number plate, even though new cars must have light on them.

morsch 4y ago
Yes, this only applies to new cars, not used cars. You will be able to sell and buy used cars after 2035 if this proposal comes into effect. Note that while the parliament of the EU has approved the proposal, it still needs approval from the council of ministers.
- Helmut10001 4y ago
  Yes, only new cars. I think it this could also mean the reverse for used cars: They get more expensive because everybody wants them and no new are produced.
  - Multicomp 4y ago
    Frankly that's what I'm expecting for aging electric or electronic (not computerized) ICE cars. There will be contexts where BEVs don't work out (farms, off road work, extremely cold climates etc) and humans will maintain an ICE car like a good old 4Runner, Land Cruiser, Jeep CJ5, Unimog and so on for those cases, appreciating in value as the supply of new comparables is gonna be slim to none. We may even end up in a long term repair market like Cuba maintaining those 50s cars since they can't really get more. BEVs will be for civilian city dwellers, but for those who have jobs that were once called essential workers, the ones where people suffer and maybe die if the job doesn't happen, ICE cars will still have a place just for their dependability under duress factor.
- bestouff 4y ago
  Yes but ICE cars will get more and more expensive to operate as the infrastructure (repair shops and gas stations) disappear, and EU cities will totally ban them (they already start to restrict them). All in all, in the EU you are quite pushed to get rid of your ICE car. I see this as a very good thing.
dgellow 4y ago
Sure but that’s just this specific vote, the goal of the EU has been quite clear here, they want to eventually ban consumption engines. If you keep a consumption engine you won’t have as many gas stations anymore and will not be allowed to circulate in some areas (low-emission zones, for example see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crit%27air https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crit%27air).

by Epa095 4y ago

morsch 4y ago

Yes, this only applies to new cars, not used cars. You will be able to sell and buy used cars after 2035 if this proposal comes into effect. Note that while the parliament of the EU has approved the proposal, it still needs approval from the council of ministers.

Helmut10001 4y ago
Yes, only new cars. I think it this could also mean the reverse for used cars: They get more expensive because everybody wants them and no new are produced.
- Multicomp 4y ago
  Frankly that's what I'm expecting for aging electric or electronic (not computerized) ICE cars. There will be contexts where BEVs don't work out (farms, off road work, extremely cold climates etc) and humans will maintain an ICE car like a good old 4Runner, Land Cruiser, Jeep CJ5, Unimog and so on for those cases, appreciating in value as the supply of new comparables is gonna be slim to none. We may even end up in a long term repair market like Cuba maintaining those 50s cars since they can't really get more. BEVs will be for civilian city dwellers, but for those who have jobs that were once called essential workers, the ones where people suffer and maybe die if the job doesn't happen, ICE cars will still have a place just for their dependability under duress factor.
bestouff 4y ago
Yes but ICE cars will get more and more expensive to operate as the infrastructure (repair shops and gas stations) disappear, and EU cities will totally ban them (they already start to restrict them). All in all, in the EU you are quite pushed to get rid of your ICE car. I see this as a very good thing.

dgellow 4y ago

Sure but that’s just this specific vote, the goal of the EU has been quite clear here, they want to eventually ban consumption engines. If you keep a consumption engine you won’t have as many gas stations anymore and will not be allowed to circulate in some areas (low-emission zones, for example see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crit%27air https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crit%27air).