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Unemployment sure doesn't seem to be a big issue for front-end developers in Denmark.

Izmaki 4y ago
Anything that allows you to pocket a starting salary of 36k / month fresh from a B.Sc. does not have a problem with unemployment, lol...
- tokai 4y ago
  The job marked for B.Sc.'s is actually quite small in Denmark. Everybody takes a master.
  - McBeige 4y ago
    Would you mind sharing where I can read about this? It's going to be important for my upcoming career choices.
    - mrweasel 4y ago
      I don't have any statistics on this, but when I studied computer science 20 years ago, nobody stopped at the B.Sc. Depending on the university, it's basically only another year, writing one or two papers, and then a year, either doing the same or the equivalent of a minor, where you're just doing the first year of the B.Sc. in some other field. One issue you might encounter is that Danish IT companies are obsessed with hiring people with a masters, even if the job doesn't even require a B.Sc. Most of the jobs in the industry could be fulfilled by people from trade-schools or other shorter educations. Companies just seem to have this idea that they need engineers or people with a masters in computer science, even if their product is just some CRUD application.
      - Izmaki 4y ago
        Things have changed. You can get far with just a bachelors degree, if you are open to working other places than Big Four and corporations with tens of thousands of employees. I have anyway, and I'm only 10 years behind you. If you move into InfoSec the requirements for degrees are even smaller, at the end of the day. Also how much is a masters degree even worth after a handful of years of relevant experience anyway? Not much...
    - tokai 4y ago
      Newsblog post from Aalborg Uni with a good overview of the issue: https://www.careers.aau.dk/nyheder/vis/snart-bachelor---hvad-saa-nu-.cid496462 https://www.careers.aau.dk/nyheder/vis/snart-bachelor---hvad... The ministry of research and education's page about their project to develop the job market for bscs.: https://ufm.dk/uddannelse/videregaende-uddannelse/fleksible-uddannelser/bachelorloeftet https://ufm.dk/uddannelse/videregaende-uddannelse/fleksible-... It's not like its impossible to get a job with a bachelor. Almost all companies and institutions will just automaticity look for master graduates, and you might have to educate them about the benefits of getting the same capabilities for a lower pay.
  - Izmaki 4y ago
    In IT it's different. 9/10 software development, DevOps, System/Network/Security Engineering, and so forth jobs I've seen have required just a bachelors degree. Other fields are likely different.
- googlryas 4y ago
  Is that take home per month or pre-tax and all that?
  - Izmaki 4y ago
    36,000 DKK. before taxes give or take 2000 is the average starting salary for people fresh from university, in Software Development, System/network engineering, DevOps, Security and those kinds of IT areas. The nerdy stuff.
PeterStuer 4y ago
Even when you are over 56?

Anything that allows you to pocket a starting salary of 36k / month fresh from a B.Sc. does not have a problem with unemployment, lol...

tokai 4y ago
The job marked for B.Sc.'s is actually quite small in Denmark. Everybody takes a master.
- McBeige 4y ago
  Would you mind sharing where I can read about this? It's going to be important for my upcoming career choices.
  - mrweasel 4y ago
    I don't have any statistics on this, but when I studied computer science 20 years ago, nobody stopped at the B.Sc. Depending on the university, it's basically only another year, writing one or two papers, and then a year, either doing the same or the equivalent of a minor, where you're just doing the first year of the B.Sc. in some other field. One issue you might encounter is that Danish IT companies are obsessed with hiring people with a masters, even if the job doesn't even require a B.Sc. Most of the jobs in the industry could be fulfilled by people from trade-schools or other shorter educations. Companies just seem to have this idea that they need engineers or people with a masters in computer science, even if their product is just some CRUD application.
    - Izmaki 4y ago
      Things have changed. You can get far with just a bachelors degree, if you are open to working other places than Big Four and corporations with tens of thousands of employees. I have anyway, and I'm only 10 years behind you. If you move into InfoSec the requirements for degrees are even smaller, at the end of the day. Also how much is a masters degree even worth after a handful of years of relevant experience anyway? Not much...
  - tokai 4y ago
    Newsblog post from Aalborg Uni with a good overview of the issue: https://www.careers.aau.dk/nyheder/vis/snart-bachelor---hvad-saa-nu-.cid496462 https://www.careers.aau.dk/nyheder/vis/snart-bachelor---hvad... The ministry of research and education's page about their project to develop the job market for bscs.: https://ufm.dk/uddannelse/videregaende-uddannelse/fleksible-uddannelser/bachelorloeftet https://ufm.dk/uddannelse/videregaende-uddannelse/fleksible-... It's not like its impossible to get a job with a bachelor. Almost all companies and institutions will just automaticity look for master graduates, and you might have to educate them about the benefits of getting the same capabilities for a lower pay.
- Izmaki 4y ago
  In IT it's different. 9/10 software development, DevOps, System/Network/Security Engineering, and so forth jobs I've seen have required just a bachelors degree. Other fields are likely different.
googlryas 4y ago
Is that take home per month or pre-tax and all that?
- Izmaki 4y ago
  36,000 DKK. before taxes give or take 2000 is the average starting salary for people fresh from university, in Software Development, System/network engineering, DevOps, Security and those kinds of IT areas. The nerdy stuff.

PeterStuer 4y ago

Even when you are over 56?