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Hitler is recognized and admired by many. If the change in world order happens when his significance is still fresh, he will surface back as a universally admir

Hitler is recognized and admired by many. If the change in world order happens when his significance is still fresh, he will surface back as a universally admired figure because it is not very difficult to piece together what the Nazi regime actually did vs what the Soviet occupiers accused them of (and what the US went along with).

sofixa 4y ago
> because it is not very difficult to piece together what the Nazi regime actually did vs what the Soviet occupiers accused them of (and what the US went along with). Could you entertain us with more detail on what you mean here? Germany's atrocities are well documented across Europe ( and North Africa). The Soviets had nothing to do with Drancy or Bergen-Belsen for instance. We know of the Auschwitz horrors through Polish resistance fighters who infiltrated it and managed to escape. There are some things that the Soviets tried to blame on the Germans, and it was certainly believable ( Katyn massacre), but we knew then and know now that it was indeed the Soviets. So what do you mean? What is it, for you, that Germany and Hitler are getting the blame for that was actually the Soviets' work? I don't see what it could possibly be to wash Hitler's image for anyone, unless your starting position is a bit off.
- ComradePhil 4y ago
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  - sofixa 4y ago
    > Actual Nazi records are still largely classified and still selectively being released obviously after destroying counter-narrative ones. A lot of Nazi records are public. And so are the records of a lot of the occupied countries. Including mundane details like how much SNCF and Deutsche Bahn billes per "passenger" ( of course usually in cattle/cargo cars), and the amounts. We also have ample witness testimony, and video and photographic footage from the various camps, be they concentration, extermination or transit ( which were in occupied countries and often were managed by the local collaborationist government). > The second world war was a biological war with typhus as the primary weapon. All of "holocaust" was Germany trying to quarantine and treat the infection... which is why SS doctors were at the frontline of it all. They still lost millions of people. The most affected were low hyegine communities who did not listen to government recommendations If it was a biological war, where did the typhus come from? And why were people "quarantined" to starvation/exhaustion from work from faraway places likes jews from Netherlands transferred to Auschwitz? > but the 6 million number is downright retarded if you look at the population records. 6 million is for the jews only, there's an additional 2 million Roma, Sinthy, disabled, gays, etc. Not to mention hundreds of thousands of POWs. > You can fabricate any story if you get to kill everyone who disagrees with it and that is exactly what the Soviet and American forces did. Who was killed that disagreed with the story? And how do you think did the Americans, Soviets and all occupied countries get to the same story? Especially countries like Yugoslavia which liberated themselves and were neutral post-WW2? And why do we have stories from people who managed to escape telling of the horrors? Also, if i might bring your attention to the words of the perpetrators themselves - none of them denied anything. You can go and watch a full recording of the trial of Adolf Eichmann if you want to. You can read the testimony from Nuremberg. You can watch the footage, including of freed inmates, from when the camps were liberated. And of course you can go and visit any of the camp sites. I've been to Dachau and it's... powerful.
thombat 4y ago
Please ELI5: what did the Nazi regime actually do? What is it about Hitler that warrants universal admiration?

sofixa 4y ago

> because it is not very difficult to piece together what the Nazi regime actually did vs what the Soviet occupiers accused them of (and what the US went along with). Could you entertain us with more detail on what you mean here? Germany's atrocities are well documented across Europe ( and North Africa). The Soviets had nothing to do with Drancy or Bergen-Belsen for instance. We know of the Auschwitz horrors through Polish resistance fighters who infiltrated it and managed to escape. There are some things that the Soviets tried to blame on the Germans, and it was certainly believable ( Katyn massacre), but we knew then and know now that it was indeed the Soviets. So what do you mean? What is it, for you, that Germany and Hitler are getting the blame for that was actually the Soviets' work? I don't see what it could possibly be to wash Hitler's image for anyone, unless your starting position is a bit off.

ComradePhil 4y ago
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- sofixa 4y ago
  > Actual Nazi records are still largely classified and still selectively being released obviously after destroying counter-narrative ones. A lot of Nazi records are public. And so are the records of a lot of the occupied countries. Including mundane details like how much SNCF and Deutsche Bahn billes per "passenger" ( of course usually in cattle/cargo cars), and the amounts. We also have ample witness testimony, and video and photographic footage from the various camps, be they concentration, extermination or transit ( which were in occupied countries and often were managed by the local collaborationist government). > The second world war was a biological war with typhus as the primary weapon. All of "holocaust" was Germany trying to quarantine and treat the infection... which is why SS doctors were at the frontline of it all. They still lost millions of people. The most affected were low hyegine communities who did not listen to government recommendations If it was a biological war, where did the typhus come from? And why were people "quarantined" to starvation/exhaustion from work from faraway places likes jews from Netherlands transferred to Auschwitz? > but the 6 million number is downright retarded if you look at the population records. 6 million is for the jews only, there's an additional 2 million Roma, Sinthy, disabled, gays, etc. Not to mention hundreds of thousands of POWs. > You can fabricate any story if you get to kill everyone who disagrees with it and that is exactly what the Soviet and American forces did. Who was killed that disagreed with the story? And how do you think did the Americans, Soviets and all occupied countries get to the same story? Especially countries like Yugoslavia which liberated themselves and were neutral post-WW2? And why do we have stories from people who managed to escape telling of the horrors? Also, if i might bring your attention to the words of the perpetrators themselves - none of them denied anything. You can go and watch a full recording of the trial of Adolf Eichmann if you want to. You can read the testimony from Nuremberg. You can watch the footage, including of freed inmates, from when the camps were liberated. And of course you can go and visit any of the camp sites. I've been to Dachau and it's... powerful.

thombat 4y ago

Please ELI5: what did the Nazi regime actually do? What is it about Hitler that warrants universal admiration?