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At risk of getting downvoted into oblivion, I suspect that we will eventually find a large number of individuals with long term side effects of the vaccines at

At risk of getting downvoted into oblivion, I suspect that we will eventually find a large number of individuals with long term side effects of the vaccines at varying levels of severity. I personally came down with three separate, new, health problems less than a week after getting the first dose of the vaccine (two mostly better within 6-9 months, one still lingering and without any particularly effective treatment). My wife had a similar experience. This isn’t something that’s going to show up in vaers or elsewhere because these are relatively common ailments, and other than the temporal relationship there is no way to say that they were or weren’t actually caused by the vaccines. On balance I don’t doubt the evidence that shows that the vaccines are able to reduce the severity of covid itself, but I do wish that as a society we wouldn’t be so dismissive of the concerns about the baseline safety profile of these vaccines.

tylerhou 4y ago
The problem is that people with “concerns” aren’t always acting in good faith when they “just ask questions” about the safety of vaccinations. They make basic mechanistic errors. Or they falsely claim that some safety steps were skipped during approval. Or they cite observational studies while ignoring much stronger double-blind trials. Or they don’t properly apply statistics. The list goes on and on. When shown contradicting evidence, they don’t change their mind, or trust their mistaken sources less — they go on to the next BS talking point they read on Telegram. If a reasonable, reputable scientist had legitimate concerns with the safety of the approved vaccinations, those concerns would be blown out of proportion by the antivaxx community. That is why there is so much-self censorship in this debate: no actual scientist wants to be responsible for potential illnesses and deaths because their academic concerns have between twisted and deliberately misinterpreted.
- junofan 4y ago
  > Or they falsely claim that some safety steps were skipped during approval. It’s disingenuous to suggest safety steps were not skipped. You can find the safety steps that could be skipped in the FDA’s guidance for industry: https://www.fda.gov/media/139638/download https://www.fda.gov/media/139638/download
- TurboHaskal 4y ago
  I have two deaths in the family due to pulmonary embolism. One the first week after the first AstraZeneca shot, the other after the first week of Moderna booster. Another one had a stroke just the day after the booster, and is still unable to talk or walk. Now like most HN users I know my statistics and I guess we've just been unlucky or it's all a coincidence, but my emotional response is to never take one of those things again.

tylerhou 4y ago

The problem is that people with “concerns” aren’t always acting in good faith when they “just ask questions” about the safety of vaccinations. They make basic mechanistic errors. Or they falsely claim that some safety steps were skipped during approval. Or they cite observational studies while ignoring much stronger double-blind trials. Or they don’t properly apply statistics. The list goes on and on. When shown contradicting evidence, they don’t change their mind, or trust their mistaken sources less — they go on to the next BS talking point they read on Telegram. If a reasonable, reputable scientist had legitimate concerns with the safety of the approved vaccinations, those concerns would be blown out of proportion by the antivaxx community. That is why there is so much-self censorship in this debate: no actual scientist wants to be responsible for potential illnesses and deaths because their academic concerns have between twisted and deliberately misinterpreted.

junofan 4y ago
> Or they falsely claim that some safety steps were skipped during approval. It’s disingenuous to suggest safety steps were not skipped. You can find the safety steps that could be skipped in the FDA’s guidance for industry: https://www.fda.gov/media/139638/download https://www.fda.gov/media/139638/download
TurboHaskal 4y ago
I have two deaths in the family due to pulmonary embolism. One the first week after the first AstraZeneca shot, the other after the first week of Moderna booster. Another one had a stroke just the day after the booster, and is still unable to talk or walk. Now like most HN users I know my statistics and I guess we've just been unlucky or it's all a coincidence, but my emotional response is to never take one of those things again.