Eh, I've found kubernetes more complicated than the interface of a cloud provider, you always have to do the cloud provider as well for some things, and the ben

Eh, I've found kubernetes more complicated than the interface of a cloud provider, you always have to do the cloud provider as well for some things, and the benefits of the pre-baked helm charts or whatever else just aren't there until the relatively small difference in efficiency in each way of doing things makes a real difference as a result of scale. If you have a lot of experience with any interface, you can do it really efficiently, but if you don't, kubernetes can make your experience worse than anything you'd come up with on a cloud provider.