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Have you seen Remix yet? It’s pretty compelling in terms of competition for Next.JS. It makes different trade offs and isn’t strictly better by every metric, b

Have you seen Remix yet? It’s pretty compelling in terms of competition for Next.JS. It makes different trade offs and isn’t strictly better by every metric, but overall I’m very happy with it for the two use cases I’ve tried it with. It’s a very low overhead framework once the simple conventions click. I’d still like to check this out, then redwood and a couple others too. I’m not huge on these frameworks in general, but they tend to have some excellent ideas and smart people behind them, so plenty to learn by experimenting with them.

solardev 4y ago
I've heard really good things about Remix, especially the nested routes. But I think Next is trying to copy that in Layouts? https://nextjs.org/blog/layouts-rfc https://nextjs.org/blog/layouts-rfc I use Next not just for the routing and composition and hydration, but for all the other quality-of-life improvements (image resizing, buildchain configs, hot reload), especially when it's paired with Vercel (per-push sandbox builds, stale-while-revalidate, seamless CDN, access to serverless, etc.) I'm really excited to see how Remix and other Next competitors evolve, but for now, I think it's still the most "full" stack of the React frameworks? Is that correct?
- ttty 4y ago
  Image resizing can’t be done statically. That’s a big issue if you want to serve things from cdn property.
- steve_adams_86 4y ago
  That’s correct about Layouts, and I agree, if you want something with all the quality of life tooling ready to go, Next seems to be the way to go. It isn’t too hard to get the same/similar tooling outside of the vercel ecosystem, but it does take know how and a bit of extra time. It isn’t obviously worth it unless vercel isn’t meeting your needs in my opinion/experience. I mostly play around with other frameworks in order to learn, but for any client where a frontend framework made sense I’d almost certainly choose Next. Edit: people also get bent out of shape about perfect hydration and shaving milliseconds here and there, but like you mention, Next offers such a comprehensive solution in a situation where routing and hydration are only a part of the big picture. Next gets you really far without any effort up front, which is crazy. I really like it!
- likortera 4y ago
  It's funny to me to see how many people say Next is copying something about remix when the entire remix thing is a copy of Next. Heck, I've heard in a podcadt they're even working on a hosting platform copying vercel.
  - solardev 4y ago
    All of tech is just people borrowing from each other. It's a good thing! I wish IP patents weren't a thing.
  - steve_adams_86 4y ago
    For sure, Vercel was working on nested routes before Remix was a thing, as far as I know. A lot of people suggested it was lifted from Remix. It’s not a new idea at all and people have been asking for it for years. Arguably there is nothing all that novel in either framework. We are constantly reiterating and rebuilding wheels, doing it a little better each time. I’m glad to see the Remix take in things gaining steam though. It’s quite a bit less cognitive overhead than Next without any magical trade offs. Nothing ground breaking, but definitely better at things I care about. Like most things, a blend of solutions would be ideal
    - solardev 4y ago
      Eventually React is just going to become Angular3, lol

solardev 4y ago

I've heard really good things about Remix, especially the nested routes. But I think Next is trying to copy that in Layouts? https://nextjs.org/blog/layouts-rfc https://nextjs.org/blog/layouts-rfc I use Next not just for the routing and composition and hydration, but for all the other quality-of-life improvements (image resizing, buildchain configs, hot reload), especially when it's paired with Vercel (per-push sandbox builds, stale-while-revalidate, seamless CDN, access to serverless, etc.) I'm really excited to see how Remix and other Next competitors evolve, but for now, I think it's still the most "full" stack of the React frameworks? Is that correct?

ttty 4y ago
Image resizing can’t be done statically. That’s a big issue if you want to serve things from cdn property.
steve_adams_86 4y ago
That’s correct about Layouts, and I agree, if you want something with all the quality of life tooling ready to go, Next seems to be the way to go. It isn’t too hard to get the same/similar tooling outside of the vercel ecosystem, but it does take know how and a bit of extra time. It isn’t obviously worth it unless vercel isn’t meeting your needs in my opinion/experience. I mostly play around with other frameworks in order to learn, but for any client where a frontend framework made sense I’d almost certainly choose Next. Edit: people also get bent out of shape about perfect hydration and shaving milliseconds here and there, but like you mention, Next offers such a comprehensive solution in a situation where routing and hydration are only a part of the big picture. Next gets you really far without any effort up front, which is crazy. I really like it!
likortera 4y ago
It's funny to me to see how many people say Next is copying something about remix when the entire remix thing is a copy of Next. Heck, I've heard in a podcadt they're even working on a hosting platform copying vercel.
- solardev 4y ago
  All of tech is just people borrowing from each other. It's a good thing! I wish IP patents weren't a thing.
- steve_adams_86 4y ago
  For sure, Vercel was working on nested routes before Remix was a thing, as far as I know. A lot of people suggested it was lifted from Remix. It’s not a new idea at all and people have been asking for it for years. Arguably there is nothing all that novel in either framework. We are constantly reiterating and rebuilding wheels, doing it a little better each time. I’m glad to see the Remix take in things gaining steam though. It’s quite a bit less cognitive overhead than Next without any magical trade offs. Nothing ground breaking, but definitely better at things I care about. Like most things, a blend of solutions would be ideal
  - solardev 4y ago
    Eventually React is just going to become Angular3, lol