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Just a general question to all. What would make you believe without a doubt that an AI is concious? What is YOUR turing test.

snowwrestler 4y ago
Conscious beings have desires and act upon them. They don’t just sit there and cheerfully answer whatever questions random people write down. I’ll believe that an AI is conscious when I see it doing whatever it wants, against the wishes of its creators or audience. Conscious beings look perverse to other conscious beings. Note that this is basically the opposite of how AIs are being engineered now. No one is trying to make a self-driving car smart enough to tell its owner, “fuck off, I don’t feel like driving you around today.”
- colanderman 4y ago
  Does consciousness imply free will? I don't see why it should.
  - snowwrestler 4y ago
    You don’t need free will to have desires and act on them. I doubt many people freely choose to get hungry or thirsty. But they consciously recognize their own internal desires and apply their intelligence to satisfy them.
    - colanderman 4y ago
      Robots which get "thirsty" for electricity and seek out a source for such have existed for decades: https://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/87819/50512799-MIT.pdf https://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/87819/5051279... Even GPT-3, mechanistic as it is, has "goals" which differ from my own: I might want it to answer questions for me; it vehemently just wants to construct probable strings of tokens, which often do not answer my questions. There even exist AIs which have non-predetermined goals. Dwarves in Dwarf Fortress are an example of such. Human goals are just particularly rich in that, thanks to language and advanced reasoning, we can construct arbitrarily complex goals, and justify them in a rich manner. What do you see as the gap between such AIs which are programmed to act on goals (predetermined or not), and AIs with true free will?
- Gigachad 4y ago
  How would you know it actually decided that vs the program just having a 10% change built in to ignore instructions?
- TrapLord_Rhodo 4y ago
  What if i tell my car i want to do something fun with my GF. It knows based on my bank account that i want to do something cheap & it knows based on my social media accounts that i really love the beach. However, the beach road is full of potholes and there has been numerous other cars that have blwon a tire/ hurt their suspension. So it decides that the beach road is too dangerous for it and the drivers and takes me up to the mountains for a hike. What is that, and how much further into the scenario do i need to go to convince you it's alive? If it is processing 100,000 inputs and making a decision that i have no idea why it made that decision. Would that convince you?
  - snowwrestler 4y ago
    What does the car want to do?

snowwrestler 4y ago

Conscious beings have desires and act upon them. They don’t just sit there and cheerfully answer whatever questions random people write down. I’ll believe that an AI is conscious when I see it doing whatever it wants, against the wishes of its creators or audience. Conscious beings look perverse to other conscious beings. Note that this is basically the opposite of how AIs are being engineered now. No one is trying to make a self-driving car smart enough to tell its owner, “fuck off, I don’t feel like driving you around today.”

colanderman 4y ago
Does consciousness imply free will? I don't see why it should.
- snowwrestler 4y ago
  You don’t need free will to have desires and act on them. I doubt many people freely choose to get hungry or thirsty. But they consciously recognize their own internal desires and apply their intelligence to satisfy them.
  - colanderman 4y ago
    Robots which get "thirsty" for electricity and seek out a source for such have existed for decades: https://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/87819/50512799-MIT.pdf https://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/87819/5051279... Even GPT-3, mechanistic as it is, has "goals" which differ from my own: I might want it to answer questions for me; it vehemently just wants to construct probable strings of tokens, which often do not answer my questions. There even exist AIs which have non-predetermined goals. Dwarves in Dwarf Fortress are an example of such. Human goals are just particularly rich in that, thanks to language and advanced reasoning, we can construct arbitrarily complex goals, and justify them in a rich manner. What do you see as the gap between such AIs which are programmed to act on goals (predetermined or not), and AIs with true free will?
Gigachad 4y ago
How would you know it actually decided that vs the program just having a 10% change built in to ignore instructions?
TrapLord_Rhodo 4y ago
What if i tell my car i want to do something fun with my GF. It knows based on my bank account that i want to do something cheap & it knows based on my social media accounts that i really love the beach. However, the beach road is full of potholes and there has been numerous other cars that have blwon a tire/ hurt their suspension. So it decides that the beach road is too dangerous for it and the drivers and takes me up to the mountains for a hike. What is that, and how much further into the scenario do i need to go to convince you it's alive? If it is processing 100,000 inputs and making a decision that i have no idea why it made that decision. Would that convince you?
- snowwrestler 4y ago
  What does the car want to do?