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I would sooner take the children away or force the residents to move than pave a road through the Alaskan wilderness. I wouldn't do those things either, though

by mod 4y ago

I would sooner take the children away or force the residents to move than pave a road through the Alaskan wilderness. I wouldn't do those things either, though. People get to choose where and how to raise their children. Children don't get a say so in virtually anything that affects them. "Think of the children" is not a good argument. Also the whole population is like 1200 people. We're talking about a relative handful of kids. Like one very small elementary school (edit: Google search says there's 87 kids in PK-12th grade. Combined.)

notch656a 4y ago
>BTW they've either been without that road for 40 years, or moved there knowing the situation. Is patently false. It's not "think of the children." It's pointing out that statement was a vicious lie. I'm pointing out they've simply ignored the people who were born there. We're talking about a road connecting two closest communities. You've said yourelf you wouldn't do the things to remove these residents from these communities. I would find it hypocritical for someone to take advantages of roads in their own community while denying this community a single road to the closest airport to the kind of medical services that those in the lower 48 can drive to (even if it takes them awhile).
IanDrake 4y ago
ivanhoe 4y ago
We destroyed our local wilderness long time ago to make our lives safer and easier and more comfortable - and now we're judging others for wanting the same for their town...
- drekipus 4y ago
  Yes because we realise the mistakes
  - ivanhoe 4y ago
    Did we really? Just go around and see all those sterile lawns in front of houses, drowned in herbicides and fertilizers, wasting all that space that could be easily turned into gardens or beautiful meadows (you literally just have to leave it alone and it will happen on its own). But we're pissed on others for wanting a single gravel road, so that they don't die if some emergency happens... As the old Serbian saying goes: "it's easy to beat hawthorns with someone else's penis"...
  - soupbowl 4y ago
    Rules for thee not for me.
    - drekipus 4y ago
      Yes, that unfortunately tends to be the way of it. People can do things until they can't, I don't know what you're claiming otherwise.
  - yellowapple 4y ago
    Then we should be leading by example. I know there's a lot more I could be doing to preserve and restore ecosystems local to me before I've any right to demand the same of folks thousands of miles away.
    - mod 4y ago
      I'm kind of the guy you're directing this comment at, I think. I bought 40 acres adjacent to national forest service land and I keep about 38 acres of it wild. I try to improve the forest and provide good habitat, and I've been rewarded with a lot of wildlife. I've said in another comment, I'm an hour from a hospital. I am both doing a lot for my local ecosystems, and also demanding that a national forest owned by the national government thousands of miles away be preserved as wild. You can change the phrasing to attack the idea, but that's my idea as I intend it. The people there can serve their own interests just fine. I think a whole lot of us can help keep wild places wild, and that's equally important as you working locally. Do we even know what the locals think, by the way? Like actual normal people who live there? I would bet it's not a one-sided issue.

by mod 4y ago

notch656a 4y ago

>BTW they've either been without that road for 40 years, or moved there knowing the situation. Is patently false. It's not "think of the children." It's pointing out that statement was a vicious lie. I'm pointing out they've simply ignored the people who were born there. We're talking about a road connecting two closest communities. You've said yourelf you wouldn't do the things to remove these residents from these communities. I would find it hypocritical for someone to take advantages of roads in their own community while denying this community a single road to the closest airport to the kind of medical services that those in the lower 48 can drive to (even if it takes them awhile).

IanDrake 4y ago

ivanhoe 4y ago

We destroyed our local wilderness long time ago to make our lives safer and easier and more comfortable - and now we're judging others for wanting the same for their town...

drekipus 4y ago
Yes because we realise the mistakes
- ivanhoe 4y ago
  Did we really? Just go around and see all those sterile lawns in front of houses, drowned in herbicides and fertilizers, wasting all that space that could be easily turned into gardens or beautiful meadows (you literally just have to leave it alone and it will happen on its own). But we're pissed on others for wanting a single gravel road, so that they don't die if some emergency happens... As the old Serbian saying goes: "it's easy to beat hawthorns with someone else's penis"...
- soupbowl 4y ago
  Rules for thee not for me.
  - drekipus 4y ago
    Yes, that unfortunately tends to be the way of it. People can do things until they can't, I don't know what you're claiming otherwise.
- yellowapple 4y ago
  Then we should be leading by example. I know there's a lot more I could be doing to preserve and restore ecosystems local to me before I've any right to demand the same of folks thousands of miles away.
  - mod 4y ago
    I'm kind of the guy you're directing this comment at, I think. I bought 40 acres adjacent to national forest service land and I keep about 38 acres of it wild. I try to improve the forest and provide good habitat, and I've been rewarded with a lot of wildlife. I've said in another comment, I'm an hour from a hospital. I am both doing a lot for my local ecosystems, and also demanding that a national forest owned by the national government thousands of miles away be preserved as wild. You can change the phrasing to attack the idea, but that's my idea as I intend it. The people there can serve their own interests just fine. I think a whole lot of us can help keep wild places wild, and that's equally important as you working locally. Do we even know what the locals think, by the way? Like actual normal people who live there? I would bet it's not a one-sided issue.