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It's very much a US-centric thing. Rest of the world is bemused by the stories of bullied US teenagers who don't have 'the right' bubble colour on their SMS-is

by goldcd 4y ago

It's very much a US-centric thing. Rest of the world is bemused by the stories of bullied US teenagers who don't have 'the right' bubble colour on their SMS-ish app. Elsewhere we've all been using whatsapp/telegram/signal etc for years and we're never going back. I think maybe the worst decision Apple made was not trying to push out their service (with maybe a few limitations to upsell the hardware) - although I guess blackberry tried to do that and it didn't work out.

MAGZine 4y ago
blackberry's effort wasn't honest. They only opened it up after their platform had been bleeding users for a while. If they were first to market with an app for android and ios I feel like things might have gone very differently.
HWR_14 4y ago
> Rest of the world is bemused by the stories of bullied US teenagers who don't have 'the right' bubble colour on their SMS-ish app. Elsewhere we've all been using whatsapp/telegram/signal etc for years and we're never going back. I mean, I wouldn't install any FB software on my phone. I'm not sure "we just use WhatsApp" is the flex you think it is. But the "US teenagers bullied" is one of those BS stories that is blown out of proportion because in a country roughly the size of the EU, you can find a lot of idiots. And US news loves stories about how your children are in some kind of peril - often peer related.
- nr2x 4y ago
  Good points all, but the issues are real wrt interoperability. I switched from iPhone to pixel and it was a huge pain in the ass for my friends and family, 90% of whom are iPhone.
  - morepork 4y ago
    The silly thing is it would be easy to fix this from Apple's side. They know if a phone has connected to the messaging backend in X days, they could easily fall back to SMS if the recipient hasn't connected in say a week, and then keep using SMS until a phone for that user reconnects. They choose not to deliberately to tie people into iPhones.
    - HWR_14 4y ago
      >they could easily fall back to SMS Apple does do that. They provide a toggle (defaults to off) not to fall back to SMS. Which makes sense as an option, because it would suck to send what you think is E2E encrypted and then find out it went in clear text.
blitzar 4y ago
> blackberry tried to do that and it didn't work out Blackberry blew it by not trying to do that till blackberry was dead. then once the whole world had migrated to a different solution they brought out their messenger. Whatsapp at best was a clone of blackberry messenger. The time to open up your standard is at the top, not after everyone is / has abandoned you for the "next thing".

by goldcd 4y ago

MAGZine 4y ago

blackberry's effort wasn't honest. They only opened it up after their platform had been bleeding users for a while. If they were first to market with an app for android and ios I feel like things might have gone very differently.

HWR_14 4y ago

> Rest of the world is bemused by the stories of bullied US teenagers who don't have 'the right' bubble colour on their SMS-ish app. Elsewhere we've all been using whatsapp/telegram/signal etc for years and we're never going back. I mean, I wouldn't install any FB software on my phone. I'm not sure "we just use WhatsApp" is the flex you think it is. But the "US teenagers bullied" is one of those BS stories that is blown out of proportion because in a country roughly the size of the EU, you can find a lot of idiots. And US news loves stories about how your children are in some kind of peril - often peer related.

nr2x 4y ago
Good points all, but the issues are real wrt interoperability. I switched from iPhone to pixel and it was a huge pain in the ass for my friends and family, 90% of whom are iPhone.
- morepork 4y ago
  The silly thing is it would be easy to fix this from Apple's side. They know if a phone has connected to the messaging backend in X days, they could easily fall back to SMS if the recipient hasn't connected in say a week, and then keep using SMS until a phone for that user reconnects. They choose not to deliberately to tie people into iPhones.
  - HWR_14 4y ago
    >they could easily fall back to SMS Apple does do that. They provide a toggle (defaults to off) not to fall back to SMS. Which makes sense as an option, because it would suck to send what you think is E2E encrypted and then find out it went in clear text.

blitzar 4y ago

> blackberry tried to do that and it didn't work out Blackberry blew it by not trying to do that till blackberry was dead. then once the whole world had migrated to a different solution they brought out their messenger. Whatsapp at best was a clone of blackberry messenger. The time to open up your standard is at the top, not after everyone is / has abandoned you for the "next thing".