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At this time it is a running gag that Google creates a messenger every one or two years. They have so much leverage with google accounts, gmail and android … p

At this time it is a running gag that Google creates a messenger every one or two years. They have so much leverage with google accounts, gmail and android … pushing a WhatsApp / Telegram clone that works would take over the world. But they achieved to even cripple Google Meets, a product that works. Unbelievable.

newsclues 4y ago
Failing to avoid antitrust issues if they succeed and become the dominant hub for online?
- rwalle 4y ago
  I don't think anyone antitrust is relevant at all in this discussion. Nobody would think that Google Talk/Chat/Whatever is remotely close to being scrutinized by government agencies.
- BonoboIO 4y ago
  They „sponsor“ with x00 millions to exist. A competitor is great, because it avoids antitrusts like Microsoft had with IE.
raverbashing 4y ago
> pushing a WhatsApp / Telegram clone that works would take over the world. True. It is frankly amazing how Google can't compete in that area They lack the vision. They lack the top-down mandate. They lack the will to centralize and push the effort. (see how most projects were experiments/things that "stuck"). I think one of the few times where Google successfully managed a global project to completion was Android? (and yet it was acquired)
hypothesis 4y ago
Current wisdom is that company exists to make money and everything is optimized for that. What if workers are fully onboard and working hard for next promotion? For products that are not money making machines like the ad biz, let them wither and start a new every couple years?
steve_adams_86 4y ago
Is the problem perhaps that a standalone product like WhatsApp or Telegram offers some degree of privacy? I'm not sure if Google Talk/Hangouts/whatever ever offered privacy, I know Telegram's privacy model has flaws, and I'm not clear on WhatsApp's quality of security. At any rate, I do know people expect both WhatsApp and Telegram to be relatively private, which likely counts for something. On the other hand, I find people assume Google products are by default not private. I'm not sure how decision making occurs, but I have a hard time envisioning a GoogleGram application getting adopted easily because it would be perceived as a commercial effort in an otherwise less commercial/more private space. I could be totally wrong here, and I'm mostly curious what others think.
- BonoboIO 4y ago
  Google Hangouts … I even forgot that that existed. I think most consumers use the product the works for them and is free. Privacy is an aspect, but most, not all, people don’t care that much. A working product beats a half working product that preserves privacy. If it works and preserves privacy … u have a winner.
oarabbus_ 4y ago
Except WhatsApp has already taken over the world. There seems to be this perception that Google can defeat any competitor if they chose to, and that benefit of the doubt is never given to the competition. They can't, and fail almost every time time. Android is one exception (though Apple remains the more impressive company than Google, as far as 10Ks are concerned), and GCP is certainly successful despite having the Bronze medal in the cloud space, but it reeks of a "Lebron James could be the best boxer in the world or best NFL QB if he just trained for 3 months" kind of vibe.
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newsclues 4y ago

Failing to avoid antitrust issues if they succeed and become the dominant hub for online?

rwalle 4y ago
I don't think anyone antitrust is relevant at all in this discussion. Nobody would think that Google Talk/Chat/Whatever is remotely close to being scrutinized by government agencies.
BonoboIO 4y ago
They „sponsor“ with x00 millions to exist. A competitor is great, because it avoids antitrusts like Microsoft had with IE.

raverbashing 4y ago

> pushing a WhatsApp / Telegram clone that works would take over the world. True. It is frankly amazing how Google can't compete in that area They lack the vision. They lack the top-down mandate. They lack the will to centralize and push the effort. (see how most projects were experiments/things that "stuck"). I think one of the few times where Google successfully managed a global project to completion was Android? (and yet it was acquired)

hypothesis 4y ago

Current wisdom is that company exists to make money and everything is optimized for that. What if workers are fully onboard and working hard for next promotion? For products that are not money making machines like the ad biz, let them wither and start a new every couple years?

steve_adams_86 4y ago

Is the problem perhaps that a standalone product like WhatsApp or Telegram offers some degree of privacy? I'm not sure if Google Talk/Hangouts/whatever ever offered privacy, I know Telegram's privacy model has flaws, and I'm not clear on WhatsApp's quality of security. At any rate, I do know people expect both WhatsApp and Telegram to be relatively private, which likely counts for something. On the other hand, I find people assume Google products are by default not private. I'm not sure how decision making occurs, but I have a hard time envisioning a GoogleGram application getting adopted easily because it would be perceived as a commercial effort in an otherwise less commercial/more private space. I could be totally wrong here, and I'm mostly curious what others think.

BonoboIO 4y ago
Google Hangouts … I even forgot that that existed. I think most consumers use the product the works for them and is free. Privacy is an aspect, but most, not all, people don’t care that much. A working product beats a half working product that preserves privacy. If it works and preserves privacy … u have a winner.

oarabbus_ 4y ago

Except WhatsApp has already taken over the world. There seems to be this perception that Google can defeat any competitor if they chose to, and that benefit of the doubt is never given to the competition. They can't, and fail almost every time time. Android is one exception (though Apple remains the more impressive company than Google, as far as 10Ks are concerned), and GCP is certainly successful despite having the Bronze medal in the cloud space, but it reeks of a "Lebron James could be the best boxer in the world or best NFL QB if he just trained for 3 months" kind of vibe.

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