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It is also bounded in the other end by sports. If your school day goes too late, you won’t have time in the afternoon/evening for sports practices. So, if you s

It is also bounded in the other end by sports. If your school day goes too late, you won’t have time in the afternoon/evening for sports practices. So, if you still need X hours for classes, you’ll need to start early enough to get over in time for 1-1.5 hour practices. (It also applies to other extracurricular sports, but I doubt anyone really worries about play practice schedules)

munchenphile 4y ago
Well, even in a world where theater is taken as seriously as sport, at least you can do theater indoors at all hours. You can’t really play soccer after dusk if the field is outside and you don’t have lights. So lots of outdoor sports have strict daylight constraints.
GoOnThenDoTell 4y ago
Remove the sports, can do that on the weekend
- munchenphile 4y ago
  Delusional. Sports are competitive. They require daily reps. Sports are also meant to keep kids physically active and healthy, and to establish a routine of physical activity into their adulthood (alongside intellectual productivity). You can’t just be physically active and healthy on the weekend.
  - cgriswald 4y ago
    Then have sports be an acceptable substitute to gym classes and a regular part of the day. I doubt anyone can explain to me why the captain of our football team also needed to be in gym class playing flag football with us in order to graduate in a way where the answer isn't bureaucratic. At some point you have to decide on an optimum between time, sleep, and output.
    - munchenphile 4y ago
      I’m not defending daily gym class. I’m defending daily sports. I was fortunate enough to go to a high school that did not have a gym period, but required all students to play an organized sport. Gym in large high schools is a waste of time due to the student to instructor ratio. One frustrated gym teacher to 50+ kids playing dodgeball? Of course you’re going to have theater kids just going through the motions and goth kids behind the bleachers smoking cigarettes. It’s not real exercise. You need small rosters, organized practices, uniforms, referees, fans (students and parents) and intra-school competition. It creates seriousness and expectations. You can’t hide from your coach when there’s only 14 kids on the roster. You need to do the sprints with everyone else and take the drills seriously. I don’t think this scales beyond smaller high schools. Not enough facilities, not enough coaches, not enough money.
      - danenania 4y ago
        That sounds great to me as an athlete, but I know there are many kids who would hate being forced to be part of organized sports. The important thing is that they get exercise of some kind. Maybe just allow them to choose whatever form of exercise they want as long as they do something each day? The school could offer sports but also allow them to walk, run, lift weights (when old enough), play tag, do yoga, or whatever they prefer. If a kid truly hates all exercise and refuses to cooperate, I guess there’s only so much you can do, but you could at least remove as much friction as possible and try to meet them where they are. Anything that gets them moving will offer huge physical and mental benefits over just slouching in shitty plastic chairs all day.
        ajmurmann 4y ago
        As someone not from the US all this is bizarrely moving a health concern into school which should be about education and nothing else. If it's reasonable for school to prescribe exercise for kids why not have them schedule doctor visits for the kids and create meal plans? Where is the line?
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- mensetmanusman 4y ago
  We had sports in the morning, starting at 6 AM. It definitely helped to wake you up for the rest of the day.
- ghaff 4y ago
  It's not just sports. I didn't do sports in high school but I had quite a few other after school activities. And, no, it wouldn't make sense for everyone who wanted to do extracurriculars to come in on Saturday on a regular basis--probably driven by parents.
ProjectArcturis 4y ago
You could do sports in the morning instead.
Brybry 4y ago
High schools already do sports into the night hours anyway. I don't know that "too late" has much meaning here.
NonNefarious 4y ago
The school day ending at 3 doesn't preclude sports. A 9 a.m.-to-3 p.m. school day was the norm for generations, and there's no reason it can't be now.

munchenphile 4y ago

Well, even in a world where theater is taken as seriously as sport, at least you can do theater indoors at all hours. You can’t really play soccer after dusk if the field is outside and you don’t have lights. So lots of outdoor sports have strict daylight constraints.

GoOnThenDoTell 4y ago

Remove the sports, can do that on the weekend

munchenphile 4y ago
Delusional. Sports are competitive. They require daily reps. Sports are also meant to keep kids physically active and healthy, and to establish a routine of physical activity into their adulthood (alongside intellectual productivity). You can’t just be physically active and healthy on the weekend.
- cgriswald 4y ago
  Then have sports be an acceptable substitute to gym classes and a regular part of the day. I doubt anyone can explain to me why the captain of our football team also needed to be in gym class playing flag football with us in order to graduate in a way where the answer isn't bureaucratic. At some point you have to decide on an optimum between time, sleep, and output.
  - munchenphile 4y ago
    I’m not defending daily gym class. I’m defending daily sports. I was fortunate enough to go to a high school that did not have a gym period, but required all students to play an organized sport. Gym in large high schools is a waste of time due to the student to instructor ratio. One frustrated gym teacher to 50+ kids playing dodgeball? Of course you’re going to have theater kids just going through the motions and goth kids behind the bleachers smoking cigarettes. It’s not real exercise. You need small rosters, organized practices, uniforms, referees, fans (students and parents) and intra-school competition. It creates seriousness and expectations. You can’t hide from your coach when there’s only 14 kids on the roster. You need to do the sprints with everyone else and take the drills seriously. I don’t think this scales beyond smaller high schools. Not enough facilities, not enough coaches, not enough money.
    - danenania 4y ago
      That sounds great to me as an athlete, but I know there are many kids who would hate being forced to be part of organized sports. The important thing is that they get exercise of some kind. Maybe just allow them to choose whatever form of exercise they want as long as they do something each day? The school could offer sports but also allow them to walk, run, lift weights (when old enough), play tag, do yoga, or whatever they prefer. If a kid truly hates all exercise and refuses to cooperate, I guess there’s only so much you can do, but you could at least remove as much friction as possible and try to meet them where they are. Anything that gets them moving will offer huge physical and mental benefits over just slouching in shitty plastic chairs all day.
      - ajmurmann 4y ago
        As someone not from the US all this is bizarrely moving a health concern into school which should be about education and nothing else. If it's reasonable for school to prescribe exercise for kids why not have them schedule doctor visits for the kids and create meal plans? Where is the line?
        4y ago
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mensetmanusman 4y ago
We had sports in the morning, starting at 6 AM. It definitely helped to wake you up for the rest of the day.
ghaff 4y ago
It's not just sports. I didn't do sports in high school but I had quite a few other after school activities. And, no, it wouldn't make sense for everyone who wanted to do extracurriculars to come in on Saturday on a regular basis--probably driven by parents.

ProjectArcturis 4y ago

You could do sports in the morning instead.

Brybry 4y ago

High schools already do sports into the night hours anyway. I don't know that "too late" has much meaning here.

NonNefarious 4y ago

The school day ending at 3 doesn't preclude sports. A 9 a.m.-to-3 p.m. school day was the norm for generations, and there's no reason it can't be now.