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Hard to believe after all these years EndMyopia is not only being promoted on HN, but is consistently one of the most upvoted things on the subject. I figured t
by planarhobbit 4y ago
Hard to believe after all these years EndMyopia is not only being promoted on HN, but is consistently one of the most upvoted things on the subject. I figured the pros here would slice and dice and find issues with the research and recommendations and explain in depth why it’s snake oil (if it is), but it’s been a fairly forgiving topic.
- alar44 4y agoIt's bullshit because there are a ton of reasons why you would need corrective vision. This will work for a small subset but for most will not. And for those who it does help, they'll still need glasses. It's pointless.
- Aulig 4y agoIt's more likely that it works for a large majority. If you were born myopic or had an accident or something similar, yea it most likely wont work for you. But most myopes do not fall in those categories. I'm very open to hearing your arguments backing up your statement though.
- alar44 4y agoMy arguments are that if that were the case, we'd already be doing it. I work in the optical industry. To suggest that opthalmologists just haven't figured this out yet is just pants on head retarded, sorry.
- kinjba11 4y agoWe live in a world where not long ago smoking was considered fine by doctors. Where fat is demonized on nutrition labels while obesity surges. Where leaded gasoline was banned in gas not that long ago. Where a dozen diseases are increasingly prevalent and we have no idea why. To suggest that medicine hasn't figured something out is completely sensible. It can be argued that mRNA vaccine breakthroughs might not have happened without COVID, before that we didn't have it figured out. How many ophthalmologists are doing research, and how many are doing their job and going home because research doesn't pay? In every age many are convinced we've reached the pinnacle of science and have everything figured out, and that is pants on head retarded.
- alar44 4y agoThere's just no evidence for it. It's that fucking simple.
- Aulig 4y agoNo evidence for what? Almost everything related to endmyopia is proven, aside from the whole thing put together. The main thing, axial length reduction through undercorrection, has been shown in plenty of animals and humans.
- planarhobbit 4y agoI think what the parent is trying to say is that we have studies that show how myopia can be induced. I think EndMyopia gives examples in baby chickens or some such. But I’ve yet personally not come across a vetted study that shows reversal of myopia. And I support EndMyopia/Hormesis Theory as I’ve applied some of the ideas to help my one weaker eye get a bit sharper over time. I understand there’s an industry that wants to be paid for prescription glasses and lenses and whatnot, and that can throw a wrench and it does into the whole thing - see the Sugar vs Fat vs Whatever industry battle. But a little would go a long way.
- ymolodtsov 4y agoCome on, it hasn't been proven on humans.
- Aulig 4y agoHere are 3 studies that have shown axial length change in humans: https://iovs.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2772368 https://iovs.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2772368 https://iovs.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2126435 https://iovs.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2126435 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0161535#sec007 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjourn...
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- canjobear 4y agoThere was some good discussion with experts here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31360653 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31360653