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> In essence, Hollywood is tired of those pesky laws that help protect innovation, economic growth, and creativity rather than outmoded business models. So the

> In essence, Hollywood is tired of those pesky laws that help protect innovation, economic growth, and creativity rather than outmoded business models. So they are trying to rewrite the rules, regulate the Internet, and damn the consequences for the rest of us. "Hollywood" has been innovating, creating economic growth and, most of all, been the center of creativity for the most creative industries there are for some time. They are not tired of the pesky laws that protect those things. They are tired of the opposite. They are tired of existing laws designed to protect innovation, economic growth and creativity in the form of copyrighted IP going unenforced, and sites abusing the DMCA (Grooveshark is a great example). I am not saying that I support this bill, and I'm not saying it shouldn't be stopped dead in its tracks. But it's so tiring to hear about big, bad Hollywood. You can't expect someone to lobby for a half measure, and especially when the opposing side wants nothing that gets passed to be enforceable. Either you shut down sites that are clearly infringing, or you insist on information about individual users so that it can be enforced on that level instead. As long as people keep infringing on peoples' property rights, one or the other solution will be proposed. The easiest way to stymie this debate is for people to stop taking things that don't belong to them and people who truly care about privacy and the rights of technology companies to speak intelligently about both sides of the issue instead of making stupid statements like the one above.

anamax 15y ago
> "Hollywood" has been innovating, creating economic growth and, most of all, been the center of creativity for the most creative industries there are for some time. Some examples would be nice. Desi Arnez invented the three-camera technique for filming TV. James Cameron invented a 3d viewing system. Disney invented the multi-plane camera. But, by and large Hollywood hasn't invented much beyond creative accounting and lame story lines. It didn't even invent much of the technology that it uses. For example, Hollywood didn't invent TV. It didn't invent movies. It didn't invent the DVD or CD.
- microtherion 15y ago
  Would Hedy Lamarr inventing spread spectrum communication count ?
nextparadigms 15y ago
The way they are proposing is clearly not the way to do it. Just because Hollywood is contributing to the economy, doesn't mean they are the only ones, and you should throw the Internet away just to save Hollywood. Because apparently that's how they think, when they try to push for laws like these. They really don't care about the consequences. They just want something to stop piracy. And worst of all, just like DRM and any other anti-piracy measure in history, it will still probably not stop piracy. There will be made other encrypted and anonymous tools to deliver piracy files to the people who want them, and so on. In the meantime, it will break the Internet for the rest of us. Plus, who's to say the Internet isn't disrupting the big content industry, just like it has disrupted pretty much everything else? So far it has turned out a net positive results. Why should the Government save an industry from disruption? It's not their job to do that, and it will have a negative effect in the long term. This is almost like the bailouts all over again. If you ask me, I think we'll need an #OccupyHollywood soon.
- rasur 15y ago
  I think the usual refrain is "Burn Hollywood, Burn"..
- earbitscom 15y ago
  What I'm saying is that they are going to propose whatever is easiest for them to use to achieve their goal. They're not going to put in their own limitations. If people who care about this want reasonable laws, they need to propose some of their own. Theirs are usually equally in the opposite direction. And, most on the other side need to change their attitude about copyright because it's not likely to change and you lose credibility fighting for privacy and reasonable laws in the same breath as you say that information wants to be free when referring to copyrighted material.
AJ007 15y ago
This is ludicrous, the current legal system more than adequately provides opportunity to go after "sites that are clearly infringing" and getting access to "information about individual users." This is a law for someone that is lazy and feels the current legal process is too costly and time consuming for them.
- chc 15y ago
  It doesn't really. Getting a commercial work off the Internet once it's been put up is just this side of impossible. You essentially have to play whack-a-mole, and the current process doesn't allow for enough agility to win.
Fliko 15y ago
There is a very large difference between laws that protect creativity and laws that regulate the internet, this law clearly regulates the internet and pushes most forms of creativity away. There is absolutely no excuse for a law like this. Infact, I'd go as far to say that this law is the result of Hollywood refusing to change their business model (a la no innovation) to help convert a lot of pirates into buyers. There is no reason their can't be a distribution model similar to Valve's Steam that emphasizes good deals, convenience, and availability.

anamax 15y ago

> "Hollywood" has been innovating, creating economic growth and, most of all, been the center of creativity for the most creative industries there are for some time. Some examples would be nice. Desi Arnez invented the three-camera technique for filming TV. James Cameron invented a 3d viewing system. Disney invented the multi-plane camera. But, by and large Hollywood hasn't invented much beyond creative accounting and lame story lines. It didn't even invent much of the technology that it uses. For example, Hollywood didn't invent TV. It didn't invent movies. It didn't invent the DVD or CD.

microtherion 15y ago
Would Hedy Lamarr inventing spread spectrum communication count ?

nextparadigms 15y ago

The way they are proposing is clearly not the way to do it. Just because Hollywood is contributing to the economy, doesn't mean they are the only ones, and you should throw the Internet away just to save Hollywood. Because apparently that's how they think, when they try to push for laws like these. They really don't care about the consequences. They just want something to stop piracy. And worst of all, just like DRM and any other anti-piracy measure in history, it will still probably not stop piracy. There will be made other encrypted and anonymous tools to deliver piracy files to the people who want them, and so on. In the meantime, it will break the Internet for the rest of us. Plus, who's to say the Internet isn't disrupting the big content industry, just like it has disrupted pretty much everything else? So far it has turned out a net positive results. Why should the Government save an industry from disruption? It's not their job to do that, and it will have a negative effect in the long term. This is almost like the bailouts all over again. If you ask me, I think we'll need an #OccupyHollywood soon.

rasur 15y ago
I think the usual refrain is "Burn Hollywood, Burn"..
earbitscom 15y ago
What I'm saying is that they are going to propose whatever is easiest for them to use to achieve their goal. They're not going to put in their own limitations. If people who care about this want reasonable laws, they need to propose some of their own. Theirs are usually equally in the opposite direction. And, most on the other side need to change their attitude about copyright because it's not likely to change and you lose credibility fighting for privacy and reasonable laws in the same breath as you say that information wants to be free when referring to copyrighted material.

AJ007 15y ago

This is ludicrous, the current legal system more than adequately provides opportunity to go after "sites that are clearly infringing" and getting access to "information about individual users." This is a law for someone that is lazy and feels the current legal process is too costly and time consuming for them.

chc 15y ago
It doesn't really. Getting a commercial work off the Internet once it's been put up is just this side of impossible. You essentially have to play whack-a-mole, and the current process doesn't allow for enough agility to win.

Fliko 15y ago

There is a very large difference between laws that protect creativity and laws that regulate the internet, this law clearly regulates the internet and pushes most forms of creativity away. There is absolutely no excuse for a law like this. Infact, I'd go as far to say that this law is the result of Hollywood refusing to change their business model (a la no innovation) to help convert a lot of pirates into buyers. There is no reason their can't be a distribution model similar to Valve's Steam that emphasizes good deals, convenience, and availability.