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So great art can’t be made about trying to understand or illustrate the motives of murderers?

• JoeAltmaier 4y ago
  Yeah jump right to a straw-man dichotomy. We can't find old mysogynist lyrics objectionable without being anti-art or some nonsense.
  • fullshark 4y ago
    You seem to object to depicting someone or someone's thoughts who is objectionable without either a big sign from the author saying "HEY REMINDER I THINK THIS IS BAD" or presenting equal counter weight to the people they hurt or something. You're free to think these particular lyrics/songs are bad of course, but the rationale you give and the larger discussion over whether you are able to create great art with the issues you present is more interesting than just whether these particular songs have merit imo. When I read these lyrics and your comment it reminded me of the big debate over Eminem's lyrics almost 20(!) years ago, where he would write songs at length about fantasizing over murdering his ex-wife. Was he channeling that rage he felt into art about the human condition and how it deals with pain/rage when one feels hurt, or was he just making murder porn to work out his demons? Ultimately these were interesting discussions i remember, but these days the discussions seem to be dominated by childish (sorry but it's how I see it not to pile on you particularly) notions that "this makes me feel bad therefore it is bad" or "depiction equals endorsement." The end result is truly subversive art that challenges the mind seems to be in short supply at the moment and it's a real shame.