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I started using vim 13 years ago. Editors come. Editors go. Vim remains.

by buf 4y ago

mangamadaiyan 4y ago
Absolutely. On a tangential note, "Your problem with vim is that you don't grok vi" continues to be a favourite read: https://gist.github.com/nifl/1178878 https://gist.github.com/nifl/1178878
- bornfreddy 4y ago
  Thank you, I might give vi another go. Btw, for reading, raw version is better: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/nifl/1178878/raw/2a20bba892b5f1b0fb296a0fdf0380d4366ff1fc/grok_vi.mdown https://gist.githubusercontent.com/nifl/1178878/raw/2a20bba8...
  - miracloblo 4y ago
- johnny22 4y ago
  the problem isn't the process of using vim. I like that part. The part i dislike is the ecosystem of plugins and extension points.
AlexandrB 4y ago
Yes. Learning Vim has had the best ROI for my time of any other tool I've learned over the years (git comes close though). Not only is it a great general-purpose editor, but it's available on every machine I interact with.
wildrhythms 4y ago
I always come back to vim. Sure there are "vim mode" options for VS Code, Jetbrains products, Xcode, whatever else, but there is a speed and ergonomics to regular old vim that none of those bolted-on modes have matched yet. And with some setup you can get the same LSP features in vim that you have in VS Code today.
sky-kedge0749 4y ago
Interview with a VIM Enthusiast 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n1dtmzqnCU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n1dtmzqnCU "You don't really need a career once you know Vim. Vim is your career now. What's a career anyway?"
garbanz0 4y ago
90% of the time, I'm writing code that vim wouldn't help with, and that 10% never seems to make up for the investment cost of learning it, especially because I'd probably forget the commands between uses. However I do respect vim users.
- lytedev 4y ago
  I'm curious now. What code are you editing that vim could not help with, what tools do you use that do help with this code, and why?
sudo_chmod777 4y ago
This. And actually only up until a while ago did my co-workers still think using Vim was just some weird flex. Then a live coding session which was not about Vim at all I did somehow showcased how fast I was able to be in Vim, now everyone is interested in obtaining the superpower. That being said I'm still extremely grateful for what Microsoft has done in standardising things like LSP, DAP, etc. It changed the game for Vim, Emacs, Kakoune, not to mention new players like Helix.
bmitc 4y ago
Features also come but not to Vim.
- creatonez 4y ago
  They absolutely do. See coc.vim which is a compatibility shim that lets you run a huge number of VS Code extensions in vim with minimal modifications. Also see Neovim which is a vim fork that has very good builtin language-server support.
  - bmitc 4y ago
    I didn't mean no features come to Vim.
ActorNightly 4y ago
VScode is much more than an editor. Plus, you can run it in VIM mode for editing.

I started using vim 13 years ago. Editors come. Editors go. Vim remains.

by buf 4y ago

I started using vim 13 years ago. Editors come. Editors go. Vim remains.

Absolutely. On a tangential note, "Your problem with vim is that you don't grok vi" continues to be a favourite read: https://gist.github.com/nifl/1178878 https://gist.github.com/nifl/1178878

bornfreddy 4y ago
Thank you, I might give vi another go. Btw, for reading, raw version is better: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/nifl/1178878/raw/2a20bba892b5f1b0fb296a0fdf0380d4366ff1fc/grok_vi.mdown https://gist.githubusercontent.com/nifl/1178878/raw/2a20bba8...
- miracloblo 4y ago
johnny22 4y ago
the problem isn't the process of using vim. I like that part. The part i dislike is the ecosystem of plugins and extension points.

AlexandrB 4y ago

Yes. Learning Vim has had the best ROI for my time of any other tool I've learned over the years (git comes close though). Not only is it a great general-purpose editor, but it's available on every machine I interact with.

wildrhythms 4y ago

I always come back to vim. Sure there are "vim mode" options for VS Code, Jetbrains products, Xcode, whatever else, but there is a speed and ergonomics to regular old vim that none of those bolted-on modes have matched yet. And with some setup you can get the same LSP features in vim that you have in VS Code today.

sky-kedge0749 4y ago

Interview with a VIM Enthusiast 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n1dtmzqnCU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n1dtmzqnCU "You don't really need a career once you know Vim. Vim is your career now. What's a career anyway?"

garbanz0 4y ago

90% of the time, I'm writing code that vim wouldn't help with, and that 10% never seems to make up for the investment cost of learning it, especially because I'd probably forget the commands between uses. However I do respect vim users.

lytedev 4y ago
I'm curious now. What code are you editing that vim could not help with, what tools do you use that do help with this code, and why?

sudo_chmod777 4y ago

This. And actually only up until a while ago did my co-workers still think using Vim was just some weird flex. Then a live coding session which was not about Vim at all I did somehow showcased how fast I was able to be in Vim, now everyone is interested in obtaining the superpower. That being said I'm still extremely grateful for what Microsoft has done in standardising things like LSP, DAP, etc. It changed the game for Vim, Emacs, Kakoune, not to mention new players like Helix.

bmitc 4y ago

Features also come but not to Vim.

creatonez 4y ago
They absolutely do. See coc.vim which is a compatibility shim that lets you run a huge number of VS Code extensions in vim with minimal modifications. Also see Neovim which is a vim fork that has very good builtin language-server support.
- bmitc 4y ago
  I didn't mean no features come to Vim.

ActorNightly 4y ago

VScode is much more than an editor. Plus, you can run it in VIM mode for editing.