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I remember Lemmy’s devs being adamant on having a hard-coded slur filter (https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/

by icy 4y ago

I remember Lemmy’s devs being adamant on having a hard-coded slur filter (https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622). I think it’s been resolved now — not a great way to go about it though.

capableweb 4y ago
Damned if you do, damned if you don't? Or what do you mean with "not a great way to go about it though"? Seems like the following happened: - Developers implemented something well-intended, poorly-executed - People pushed back - Developers changed their mind and disabled the non-customizable slur-filter Seems that's exactly how you'd want things to go. What's the alternative here that would be better?
- alwayslikethis 4y ago
  I'm not sure it is "well-intended, poorly-executed". They are well conscious of what they are doing -- sacrificing flexibility to make a political point.
  - PontifexMinimus 4y ago
    For "sacrificing flexibility" read "deliberately making the software harder to use". The slur filter isn't so much an issue in itself as a red flag -- it makes me wonder what other stunts are they likely to pull.
  - antifa 4y ago
    > I'm not sure it is "well-intended, poorly-executed" This is a clear unambiguous example of "well-intended, poorly-executed, then fixed"
woojoo666 4y ago
For those who want to see what the slur filter looked like, it's still in their example config [1]. But even though it's now not included by default, the issue runs a little deeper imo. From what I've seen, the developers of Lemmy are very political. They run and mod their own instances at lemmy.ml and communism.lemmy.ml, and their moderation has been pretty controversial [2] [3]. But worse, judging by the hard-coded slur filter, they seem to have no issue with mixing up their politics with the platform. Also note that it took quite a bit of pushback to get the slur filter removed, and the devs were not apologetic [4][5]. Who knows what they may add next as an "easy way to keep some groups of users off". While it's nice that it's federated and open source, the question then becomes, are people prepared to monitor the source code and fork it + maintain it themselves if the devs decide to turn the platform political again? [1]: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/0.16.5/config/config.hjson https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/0.16.5/config/config.... [2]: https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/czae8c https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/czae8c [3]: https://old.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/cza14y https://old.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/cza14y [4]: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/1224#issuecomment-714886485 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/1224#issuecomment-7... [5]: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/816#issuecomment-644694838 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/816#issuecomment-6446...
- BrianOnHN 4y ago
  Beggars can't be choosers. Whatever political choices they make is their right. People are free to move to other software!
  - PontifexMinimus 4y ago
    Or fork off.
- qwery 4y ago
  > the issue runs a little deeper imo. Right, because the developers are "political"?
  - woojoo666 4y ago
    After seeing how they respond to criticism and how they act as moderators, I just don't trust them to stay politically impartial when it comes to building products. Of course other people may not care, but I do
    - woojoo666 4y ago
      Another github discussion showing their views and interactions with the community: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622

by icy 4y ago

capableweb 4y ago

Damned if you do, damned if you don't? Or what do you mean with "not a great way to go about it though"? Seems like the following happened: - Developers implemented something well-intended, poorly-executed - People pushed back - Developers changed their mind and disabled the non-customizable slur-filter Seems that's exactly how you'd want things to go. What's the alternative here that would be better?

alwayslikethis 4y ago
I'm not sure it is "well-intended, poorly-executed". They are well conscious of what they are doing -- sacrificing flexibility to make a political point.
- PontifexMinimus 4y ago
  For "sacrificing flexibility" read "deliberately making the software harder to use". The slur filter isn't so much an issue in itself as a red flag -- it makes me wonder what other stunts are they likely to pull.
- antifa 4y ago
  > I'm not sure it is "well-intended, poorly-executed" This is a clear unambiguous example of "well-intended, poorly-executed, then fixed"

woojoo666 4y ago

For those who want to see what the slur filter looked like, it's still in their example config [1]. But even though it's now not included by default, the issue runs a little deeper imo. From what I've seen, the developers of Lemmy are very political. They run and mod their own instances at lemmy.ml and communism.lemmy.ml, and their moderation has been pretty controversial [2] [3]. But worse, judging by the hard-coded slur filter, they seem to have no issue with mixing up their politics with the platform. Also note that it took quite a bit of pushback to get the slur filter removed, and the devs were not apologetic [4][5]. Who knows what they may add next as an "easy way to keep some groups of users off". While it's nice that it's federated and open source, the question then becomes, are people prepared to monitor the source code and fork it + maintain it themselves if the devs decide to turn the platform political again? [1]: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/0.16.5/config/config.hjson https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/0.16.5/config/config.... [2]: https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/czae8c https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/czae8c [3]: https://old.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/cza14y https://old.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/cza14y [4]: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/1224#issuecomment-714886485 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/1224#issuecomment-7... [5]: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/816#issuecomment-644694838 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/816#issuecomment-6446...

BrianOnHN 4y ago
Beggars can't be choosers. Whatever political choices they make is their right. People are free to move to other software!
- PontifexMinimus 4y ago
  Or fork off.
qwery 4y ago
> the issue runs a little deeper imo. Right, because the developers are "political"?
- woojoo666 4y ago
  After seeing how they respond to criticism and how they act as moderators, I just don't trust them to stay politically impartial when it comes to building products. Of course other people may not care, but I do
  - woojoo666 4y ago
    Another github discussion showing their views and interactions with the community: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622