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They are both the same as in they are both bad, even if in different ways. In my country for more than 20 years people don't vote for a party (and we have more

They are both the same as in they are both bad, even if in different ways. In my country for more than 20 years people don't vote for a party (and we have more than 2), but they vote against what they see as the worst party. It is negative voting. If I would move and vote in US, I have very strong reasons to vote against both major parties, they look like the choice between getting shot to death or hanged to death: no matter what you choose, the result is bad. Also some part of that enumeration implied as positive changes is not seen as positive in countries that did such things 20-30 years ago and saw the effects. Lots of people seem to wear horse blinders, they do things that were done by other countries ignoring the outcome in these countries. The emperor is naked and nobody wants to admit it.

lotsofpulp 4y ago
Without specifics, I have no clue what you are talking about re horse blinders. I have greatly benefited from the policies I specified, so I do not see why I should view both as “bad in different ways”. I do work to support ranked choice voting so that I can get more than 2 choices at the polls, but until then, I work with what I have.
- AdrianB1 4y ago
  Some of the policies you benefited are from a zero sum game, so your gain is someone else's loss. When you benefit, you turn a blind eye to the negatives (this is the horse blinder reference).
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    Politics is the allocation of limited resources without violence. I am aware that sometimes, the policies I benefit from takes from others, and many times I support policies where I lose and it helps others, such as healthcare and education for poorer people, or healthy school lunches for all kids. But I also believe narrowing the income/wealth gap ultimately helps me by increasing stability and social cohesion, even if it hurts my wallet.
    - AdrianB1 4y ago
      As you said, you support some policies where you lose, don't assume others do too. Politics is the allocation of limited resources with the threat of violence or other outcomes (like prison time), same as gunpoint robbery, don't paint it like a peaceful paradise where everyone sings Kumbaya.

lotsofpulp 4y ago

Without specifics, I have no clue what you are talking about re horse blinders. I have greatly benefited from the policies I specified, so I do not see why I should view both as “bad in different ways”. I do work to support ranked choice voting so that I can get more than 2 choices at the polls, but until then, I work with what I have.

AdrianB1 4y ago
Some of the policies you benefited are from a zero sum game, so your gain is someone else's loss. When you benefit, you turn a blind eye to the negatives (this is the horse blinder reference).
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  Politics is the allocation of limited resources without violence. I am aware that sometimes, the policies I benefit from takes from others, and many times I support policies where I lose and it helps others, such as healthcare and education for poorer people, or healthy school lunches for all kids. But I also believe narrowing the income/wealth gap ultimately helps me by increasing stability and social cohesion, even if it hurts my wallet.
  - AdrianB1 4y ago
    As you said, you support some policies where you lose, don't assume others do too. Politics is the allocation of limited resources with the threat of violence or other outcomes (like prison time), same as gunpoint robbery, don't paint it like a peaceful paradise where everyone sings Kumbaya.