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The difference is the govt wasn't trying to force you to get a tattoo or pierce your ears

by jack_pp 4y ago

nabla9 4y ago
Government is not forcing, it's strongly recommending. The government is trying to save lifes and succeeded.
- logicchains 4y ago
  >The government is trying to save lifes and succeeded. The original trials for MRNA vaccines didn't actually demonstrate that they save lives (no reduction in overall mortality), as per this preprint in the Lancet: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4072489 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4072489 .
- benjaminwootton 4y ago
  By preventing you from going to work (eg NYC) or using public transport (Canada) or entering public spaces (much of the world.). It absolutely stinks that people were compelled to take the vaccine despite the odds of harm from the actual disease.
  - nabla9 4y ago
    All reasonable measures. All these 'personal freedom' people say government when they mean the society as a whole. You were allowed to stay alone without vaccines. Participating in society is done with the conditions set up by the society. You can be free of society when you are alone in remote areas.
    - inkblotuniverse 4y ago
      In many regions, local society as a whole disagreed with the mandates of the distant government. That was my experience- people trying to go about their lives and being hassled by the police for having friends over.
    - switch007 4y ago
      > Participating in society is done with the conditions set up by the society. People say society when they mean governments (“conditions”)
    - jseban 4y ago
      Well it's questionable when that personal freedom is part of the same society's constitutional law. In that case, there would be no limits at all to what a society can and can't do, just declare martial law at any time for any reason. That's the same thing as living in a totalitarian dictatorship. Can society actually become the opposite of itself over night, and this should not be questioned? One of the core basic principles of society is this freedom, and suddenly it's obvious that society can take away freedom whenever it wants? Does not even need to be debated and people who have show any form of surprise or need to talk about this, should be ridiculed?
      - nabla9 4y ago
        People talk about freedom restrictions from covid, but can't enumerate freedoms (real freedoms) that were removed. You don't have freedom to go to work or travel and ignore rules and regulations. Never have and never will.

The difference is the govt wasn't trying to force you to get a tattoo or pierce your ears

nabla9 4y ago

Government is not forcing, it's strongly recommending. The government is trying to save lifes and succeeded.

logicchains 4y ago
>The government is trying to save lifes and succeeded. The original trials for MRNA vaccines didn't actually demonstrate that they save lives (no reduction in overall mortality), as per this preprint in the Lancet: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4072489 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4072489 .
benjaminwootton 4y ago
By preventing you from going to work (eg NYC) or using public transport (Canada) or entering public spaces (much of the world.). It absolutely stinks that people were compelled to take the vaccine despite the odds of harm from the actual disease.
- nabla9 4y ago
  All reasonable measures. All these 'personal freedom' people say government when they mean the society as a whole. You were allowed to stay alone without vaccines. Participating in society is done with the conditions set up by the society. You can be free of society when you are alone in remote areas.
  - inkblotuniverse 4y ago
    In many regions, local society as a whole disagreed with the mandates of the distant government. That was my experience- people trying to go about their lives and being hassled by the police for having friends over.
  - switch007 4y ago
    > Participating in society is done with the conditions set up by the society. People say society when they mean governments (“conditions”)
  - jseban 4y ago
    Well it's questionable when that personal freedom is part of the same society's constitutional law. In that case, there would be no limits at all to what a society can and can't do, just declare martial law at any time for any reason. That's the same thing as living in a totalitarian dictatorship. Can society actually become the opposite of itself over night, and this should not be questioned? One of the core basic principles of society is this freedom, and suddenly it's obvious that society can take away freedom whenever it wants? Does not even need to be debated and people who have show any form of surprise or need to talk about this, should be ridiculed?
    - nabla9 4y ago
      People talk about freedom restrictions from covid, but can't enumerate freedoms (real freedoms) that were removed. You don't have freedom to go to work or travel and ignore rules and regulations. Never have and never will.