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False equivalence. Religion is a personal choice. Sexual orientation isn't.

by CodeMage 4y ago

klodolph 4y ago
It’s reasonable to equate them. Both are protected classes.
- CodeMage 4y ago
  Yes, it's reasonable to equate them in the context of employment discrimination. That's what "protected class" protects from.
  - klodolph 4y ago
    Isn’t that the context here?
kaba0 4y ago
Religion has been a protected class for the longest time.
- CodeMage 4y ago
  I don't understand how that's relevant. The comment I replied to was arguing about applying the same standards in free speech, whereas "protected class" refers to employment discrimination.
  - kaba0 4y ago
    Religion is not a personal choice? Is your philosophical stance a personal choice?
    - CodeMage 4y ago
      Yes, it is. My philosophical stance has been changing and evolving constantly over these 40+ years that I have been alive. Unlike my race or my sexuality, it's not part of who I am, it's part of who I choose to be. In fact, I would go so far as to say that anyone who feels like they have no control over their religion -- the same way they have no control over which color of skin they were born with -- should seek help because they're being abused by someone.
marvinvz 4y ago
But bringing up your sexuality in the workplace is a personal choice.
t0suj4 4y ago
"So you think religion is a personal choice and sexual orientation isn't? Sorry, I cannot hang out with misguided people such as yourself!" I can literally take anything you say and find any excuse to disassociate myself from you. The problem is when people don't talk to each other and it's worse when they disassociate based on topics they likely have no idea about.
TimonKnigge 4y ago
Is it a personal choice though? If in the morning I decide between wearing a blue shirt or a red shirt, that's arguably a matter of personal choice, but deciding to believe in God is as much a 'personal choice' as deciding to believe in gravity or deciding to believe in homeopathy.

False equivalence. Religion is a personal choice. Sexual orientation isn't.

klodolph 4y ago

It’s reasonable to equate them. Both are protected classes.

CodeMage 4y ago
Yes, it's reasonable to equate them in the context of employment discrimination. That's what "protected class" protects from.
- klodolph 4y ago
  Isn’t that the context here?

kaba0 4y ago

Religion has been a protected class for the longest time.

CodeMage 4y ago
I don't understand how that's relevant. The comment I replied to was arguing about applying the same standards in free speech, whereas "protected class" refers to employment discrimination.
- kaba0 4y ago
  Religion is not a personal choice? Is your philosophical stance a personal choice?
  - CodeMage 4y ago
    Yes, it is. My philosophical stance has been changing and evolving constantly over these 40+ years that I have been alive. Unlike my race or my sexuality, it's not part of who I am, it's part of who I choose to be. In fact, I would go so far as to say that anyone who feels like they have no control over their religion -- the same way they have no control over which color of skin they were born with -- should seek help because they're being abused by someone.

marvinvz 4y ago

But bringing up your sexuality in the workplace is a personal choice.

t0suj4 4y ago

"So you think religion is a personal choice and sexual orientation isn't? Sorry, I cannot hang out with misguided people such as yourself!" I can literally take anything you say and find any excuse to disassociate myself from you. The problem is when people don't talk to each other and it's worse when they disassociate based on topics they likely have no idea about.

TimonKnigge 4y ago

Is it a personal choice though? If in the morning I decide between wearing a blue shirt or a red shirt, that's arguably a matter of personal choice, but deciding to believe in God is as much a 'personal choice' as deciding to believe in gravity or deciding to believe in homeopathy.