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I had the mRNA vaccines in mid '21. It was like any other shot, why risk covid if you can get the vaccine? Point is, just because my experience with the vaccin

I had the mRNA vaccines in mid '21. It was like any other shot, why risk covid if you can get the vaccine? Point is, just because my experience with the vaccine was fine doesn't mean everyone's would be, and just because your experience with covid was like a mild flu doesn't mean everyone's would be. The rational thing to do is to weigh the two risks. And the evidence so far shows that the total risks of covid, even for a young, healthy person, multiplied by the likelihood of getting it, do outweigh the risks of the mRNA vaccines. For children it's probably closer, at least in terms of acute risks. I expect the risks of chronic complications from covid are still enough to tip the scales, but I could be persuaded otherwise with more evidence. But you have to be willing to consider the evidence that exists, not just that which supports your priors.

lurker1984 4y ago
because you can still get covid even with the vaccine... so if you are not in an at risk group, why bother injecting yourself with stuff you probably don't need?
- TravelPiglet 4y ago
  You can die with the seat belt on in a car crash. Why wear it at all?
  - DaSHacka 4y ago
    Because seat belts don't leave people with with side effects.
    - tempestn 4y ago
      Sure they do. Seat belts cause injuries in crashes all the time. Sometimes (rarely) even more serious injuries than would have been sustained without one. Airbags even more so. Both will very occasionally even cause injuries outside of collision scenarios. When seat belts were first mandated, there were lots of arguments about how it's safer not to wear one and government has no right to require it.
- tempestn 4y ago
  You're less likely to get it, and it's much less likely to be serious if you do.
  - justinjlynn 4y ago
    Exactly this. A bulletproof vest will stop the bullet from killing you, but you are also very likely to receive broken ribs, bruises, and other mild organ damage. The point is that it stops the bullet. You do not discard the vest because it does not protect you from harm entirely - you wear what you can to keep the bullet from killing you. Possible side effects? Reduced mobility, and if you're untrained, extra weight that slows you down. Is it worth it? Is dying worth the possible side effects? Not always, no, but almost certainly always, yes. That's the point.
jseban 4y ago
> It was like any other shot, why risk covid if you can get the vaccine? Because the (second) shot makes you really sick, and in many cases with lingering heart inflammation. Why do that to yourself, when you have a really good chance of not even getting infected (recovered/already vaccinated)?

lurker1984 4y ago

because you can still get covid even with the vaccine... so if you are not in an at risk group, why bother injecting yourself with stuff you probably don't need?

TravelPiglet 4y ago
You can die with the seat belt on in a car crash. Why wear it at all?
- DaSHacka 4y ago
  Because seat belts don't leave people with with side effects.
  - tempestn 4y ago
    Sure they do. Seat belts cause injuries in crashes all the time. Sometimes (rarely) even more serious injuries than would have been sustained without one. Airbags even more so. Both will very occasionally even cause injuries outside of collision scenarios. When seat belts were first mandated, there were lots of arguments about how it's safer not to wear one and government has no right to require it.
tempestn 4y ago
You're less likely to get it, and it's much less likely to be serious if you do.
- justinjlynn 4y ago
  Exactly this. A bulletproof vest will stop the bullet from killing you, but you are also very likely to receive broken ribs, bruises, and other mild organ damage. The point is that it stops the bullet. You do not discard the vest because it does not protect you from harm entirely - you wear what you can to keep the bullet from killing you. Possible side effects? Reduced mobility, and if you're untrained, extra weight that slows you down. Is it worth it? Is dying worth the possible side effects? Not always, no, but almost certainly always, yes. That's the point.

jseban 4y ago

> It was like any other shot, why risk covid if you can get the vaccine? Because the (second) shot makes you really sick, and in many cases with lingering heart inflammation. Why do that to yourself, when you have a really good chance of not even getting infected (recovered/already vaccinated)?