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I had the original COVID-19 in early '20. It was a like a flu, why take any shots for this if you aren't at-risk group (old or immunocompromised like cancer and

by oxff 4y ago

I had the original COVID-19 in early '20. It was a like a flu, why take any shots for this if you aren't at-risk group (old or immunocompromised like cancer and aids)?

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tempestn 4y ago
I had the mRNA vaccines in mid '21. It was like any other shot, why risk covid if you can get the vaccine? Point is, just because my experience with the vaccine was fine doesn't mean everyone's would be, and just because your experience with covid was like a mild flu doesn't mean everyone's would be. The rational thing to do is to weigh the two risks. And the evidence so far shows that the total risks of covid, even for a young, healthy person, multiplied by the likelihood of getting it, do outweigh the risks of the mRNA vaccines. For children it's probably closer, at least in terms of acute risks. I expect the risks of chronic complications from covid are still enough to tip the scales, but I could be persuaded otherwise with more evidence. But you have to be willing to consider the evidence that exists, not just that which supports your priors.
- lurker1984 4y ago
  because you can still get covid even with the vaccine... so if you are not in an at risk group, why bother injecting yourself with stuff you probably don't need?
  - TravelPiglet 4y ago
    You can die with the seat belt on in a car crash. Why wear it at all?
    - DaSHacka 4y ago
      Because seat belts don't leave people with with side effects.
      - tempestn 4y ago
        Sure they do. Seat belts cause injuries in crashes all the time. Sometimes (rarely) even more serious injuries than would have been sustained without one. Airbags even more so. Both will very occasionally even cause injuries outside of collision scenarios. When seat belts were first mandated, there were lots of arguments about how it's safer not to wear one and government has no right to require it.
  - tempestn 4y ago
    You're less likely to get it, and it's much less likely to be serious if you do.
    - justinjlynn 4y ago
      Exactly this. A bulletproof vest will stop the bullet from killing you, but you are also very likely to receive broken ribs, bruises, and other mild organ damage. The point is that it stops the bullet. You do not discard the vest because it does not protect you from harm entirely - you wear what you can to keep the bullet from killing you. Possible side effects? Reduced mobility, and if you're untrained, extra weight that slows you down. Is it worth it? Is dying worth the possible side effects? Not always, no, but almost certainly always, yes. That's the point.
- jseban 4y ago
  > It was like any other shot, why risk covid if you can get the vaccine? Because the (second) shot makes you really sick, and in many cases with lingering heart inflammation. Why do that to yourself, when you have a really good chance of not even getting infected (recovered/already vaccinated)?
WalterGR 4y ago
Given that COVID-19 has been with us for more than two years, I have to imagine a person would know the answer to your question by now, even if they don’t personally like the answer.
shaky-carrousel 4y ago
You are disrespecting all the non at-risk, perfectly sane people who died of covid, my cousin among them. Worst thing is I'm pretty sure you already know that these cases exist, as for the last two years there have been a lot of reports of them. And still you chose to ignore those people, to ignore their deaths and their suffering. You are a disgrace.
- WanderPanda 4y ago
  I’m sorry for your loss, but I don’t get why this question of personal choice should be disrespectful to the people you mentioned. Especially because you don’t make the herd immunity argument
jonathanstrange 4y ago
Judging from the statistics I've seen, the risk of getting complications from vaccinations are lower than the risks of getting complications from Covid in all age groups, except perhaps very small children. So it is always rational to get vaccinated.
justinjlynn 4y ago
Simply put: the flu kills a lot of people each year. We vaccinate as many people as we can every year right before flu season for it because of that. It's not controversial. Believe me, if you've skipped the flu vaccine and had legitimate influenza (and not just a bad cold), you'll never miss a shot again. It's hell. COVID-19 is often much worse than the flu. See where I'm going with this?
- dustinmoris 4y ago
  I had influenza in Feb 20 and the original COVID in April 20 (flu I got abroad and COVID I got from my wife who contracted it at hospital when she was on a shift). Trust me, both took me out for a week, but the flu was 10x worse than COVID. The flu gave me bad headaches, fever and a super runny nose and sore throat. COVID only gave me fever for 1 day, a cough and a mild sore throat for 1 day. The only thing that made COVID inconvenient was the loss of smell and taste for 5 days but otherwise I felt fine and went in with daily life after day 2.
  - justinjlynn 4y ago
    COVID and the influenza both produce different responses in different people. You happened to get lucky with COVID and unlucky with the flu. Many do not and are not. Remember, you, as a single data point, aren't generalisable to a population.

by oxff 4y ago

I had the original COVID-19 in early '20. It was a like a flu, why take any shots for this if you aren't at-risk group (old or immunocompromised like cancer and aids)?

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tempestn 4y ago

I had the mRNA vaccines in mid '21. It was like any other shot, why risk covid if you can get the vaccine? Point is, just because my experience with the vaccine was fine doesn't mean everyone's would be, and just because your experience with covid was like a mild flu doesn't mean everyone's would be. The rational thing to do is to weigh the two risks. And the evidence so far shows that the total risks of covid, even for a young, healthy person, multiplied by the likelihood of getting it, do outweigh the risks of the mRNA vaccines. For children it's probably closer, at least in terms of acute risks. I expect the risks of chronic complications from covid are still enough to tip the scales, but I could be persuaded otherwise with more evidence. But you have to be willing to consider the evidence that exists, not just that which supports your priors.

lurker1984 4y ago
because you can still get covid even with the vaccine... so if you are not in an at risk group, why bother injecting yourself with stuff you probably don't need?
- TravelPiglet 4y ago
  You can die with the seat belt on in a car crash. Why wear it at all?
  - DaSHacka 4y ago
    Because seat belts don't leave people with with side effects.
    - tempestn 4y ago
      Sure they do. Seat belts cause injuries in crashes all the time. Sometimes (rarely) even more serious injuries than would have been sustained without one. Airbags even more so. Both will very occasionally even cause injuries outside of collision scenarios. When seat belts were first mandated, there were lots of arguments about how it's safer not to wear one and government has no right to require it.
- tempestn 4y ago
  You're less likely to get it, and it's much less likely to be serious if you do.
  - justinjlynn 4y ago
    Exactly this. A bulletproof vest will stop the bullet from killing you, but you are also very likely to receive broken ribs, bruises, and other mild organ damage. The point is that it stops the bullet. You do not discard the vest because it does not protect you from harm entirely - you wear what you can to keep the bullet from killing you. Possible side effects? Reduced mobility, and if you're untrained, extra weight that slows you down. Is it worth it? Is dying worth the possible side effects? Not always, no, but almost certainly always, yes. That's the point.
jseban 4y ago
> It was like any other shot, why risk covid if you can get the vaccine? Because the (second) shot makes you really sick, and in many cases with lingering heart inflammation. Why do that to yourself, when you have a really good chance of not even getting infected (recovered/already vaccinated)?

WalterGR 4y ago

Given that COVID-19 has been with us for more than two years, I have to imagine a person would know the answer to your question by now, even if they don’t personally like the answer.

shaky-carrousel 4y ago

You are disrespecting all the non at-risk, perfectly sane people who died of covid, my cousin among them. Worst thing is I'm pretty sure you already know that these cases exist, as for the last two years there have been a lot of reports of them. And still you chose to ignore those people, to ignore their deaths and their suffering. You are a disgrace.

WanderPanda 4y ago
I’m sorry for your loss, but I don’t get why this question of personal choice should be disrespectful to the people you mentioned. Especially because you don’t make the herd immunity argument

jonathanstrange 4y ago

Judging from the statistics I've seen, the risk of getting complications from vaccinations are lower than the risks of getting complications from Covid in all age groups, except perhaps very small children. So it is always rational to get vaccinated.

justinjlynn 4y ago

Simply put: the flu kills a lot of people each year. We vaccinate as many people as we can every year right before flu season for it because of that. It's not controversial. Believe me, if you've skipped the flu vaccine and had legitimate influenza (and not just a bad cold), you'll never miss a shot again. It's hell. COVID-19 is often much worse than the flu. See where I'm going with this?

dustinmoris 4y ago
I had influenza in Feb 20 and the original COVID in April 20 (flu I got abroad and COVID I got from my wife who contracted it at hospital when she was on a shift). Trust me, both took me out for a week, but the flu was 10x worse than COVID. The flu gave me bad headaches, fever and a super runny nose and sore throat. COVID only gave me fever for 1 day, a cough and a mild sore throat for 1 day. The only thing that made COVID inconvenient was the loss of smell and taste for 5 days but otherwise I felt fine and went in with daily life after day 2.
- justinjlynn 4y ago
  COVID and the influenza both produce different responses in different people. You happened to get lucky with COVID and unlucky with the flu. Many do not and are not. Remember, you, as a single data point, aren't generalisable to a population.