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A worse case is when you spend effort to make it smart, made decisions that rely on being smart, and then it suddenly becomes not smart at some point.

sroussey 4y ago
No, it works fine. You just could not remotely control it from outside the house. I didn’t even notice.
- waste_monk 4y ago
  > You just could not remotely control it from outside the house And what about disabled folk who might rely on the smart functionality of the house to have something resembling an independent life? Or the elderly? Even if e.g. a smart bulb fails gracefully and becomes a non-smart bulb in the absence of the cloud, it doesn't help if you have cannot operate a normal light switch effectively. A lot of comments on this article seem to think smart home devices are only for the lazy or are toys for people with more money than sense, but there are plenty of "legitimate" use cases as well. Also, while I would never want to use it myself, relying on the cloud is perfectly valid - the simple fact is most people are incapable of hosting and maintaining their own smart hub [1], and Insteon fucked up big time by not having a better transition plan. [1] https://www.nngroup.com/articles/computer-skill-levels/ https://www.nngroup.com/articles/computer-skill-levels/ The source is paywalled, but this article is a decent summary. TL;DR if we assume running your own smart hub is a "level 3" task, only about 5% of people in a country would be capable of doing so.
  - stavros 4y ago
    > And what about disabled folk who might rely on the smart functionality of the house to have something resembling an independent life? Or the elderly? Again, the house just becomes non-smart. What about them? You can't say "I prefer dumb homes because smart homes might stop being smart" "Yeah but then they just become dumb" "But what about people who can't have dumb homes?" That's not an advantage of a dumb home, it just sucks for people who rely on something when the something stops working.
    - noirbot 4y ago
      It reminds me of the standup bit where no escalator should ever be "out of order". It should just say "escalator temporarily stairs". I've got some smart lights, but worst case, they still have a lightswitch that works.

sroussey 4y ago

No, it works fine. You just could not remotely control it from outside the house. I didn’t even notice.

waste_monk 4y ago
> You just could not remotely control it from outside the house And what about disabled folk who might rely on the smart functionality of the house to have something resembling an independent life? Or the elderly? Even if e.g. a smart bulb fails gracefully and becomes a non-smart bulb in the absence of the cloud, it doesn't help if you have cannot operate a normal light switch effectively. A lot of comments on this article seem to think smart home devices are only for the lazy or are toys for people with more money than sense, but there are plenty of "legitimate" use cases as well. Also, while I would never want to use it myself, relying on the cloud is perfectly valid - the simple fact is most people are incapable of hosting and maintaining their own smart hub [1], and Insteon fucked up big time by not having a better transition plan. [1] https://www.nngroup.com/articles/computer-skill-levels/ https://www.nngroup.com/articles/computer-skill-levels/ The source is paywalled, but this article is a decent summary. TL;DR if we assume running your own smart hub is a "level 3" task, only about 5% of people in a country would be capable of doing so.
- stavros 4y ago
  > And what about disabled folk who might rely on the smart functionality of the house to have something resembling an independent life? Or the elderly? Again, the house just becomes non-smart. What about them? You can't say "I prefer dumb homes because smart homes might stop being smart" "Yeah but then they just become dumb" "But what about people who can't have dumb homes?" That's not an advantage of a dumb home, it just sucks for people who rely on something when the something stops working.
  - noirbot 4y ago
    It reminds me of the standup bit where no escalator should ever be "out of order". It should just say "escalator temporarily stairs". I've got some smart lights, but worst case, they still have a lightswitch that works.