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If your Tesla is "yelling at you when you're not holding the wheel" "frequently" you are admittedly misusing the level 2 assist. Contrarily, I use autopilot re

by elif 4y ago

If your Tesla is "yelling at you when you're not holding the wheel" "frequently" you are admittedly misusing the level 2 assist. Contrarily, I use autopilot responsibly and appreciate that statistically it is reducing my odds of death. As such I WOULD mind that a political decision like buttieg's appointment, is being made to endanger me.

elif 4y ago
Im downvoted for using level 2 with my hands? Or for recognizing its safety value? Or for agreeing with the authors assesment of buttieg's appointment?
Gordonjcp 4y ago
> I use autopilot responsibly and appreciate that statistically it is reducing my odds of death I don't think it really does, does it? I thought that "Autopilot" basically only worked on highways in fairly unsurprising conditions?
- elif 4y ago
  Autopilot crash statistics for last quarter were one crash per 4.97M miles driven. National average crash statistics for that quarter were one crash per 484K miles driven. Even if you consider that accidents are 3x less likely to occur on highways and boost that to 1.5M, that is still a multi-times safety factor. A lot of accidents on highways occur because of aggressive or negligent driving. It's really not hard to beat humans so this shouldn't be a shocking find. I'm not sure what you mean by "in unsurprising conditions" I turn on autopilot on the entry ramp, and disable it on the exit ramp. I would instead characterize that as "all highway conditions"
  - Gordonjcp 4y ago
    Okay, but that 3x should be 3000x, because people don't get in crashes in the conditions in which "Autopilot" actually works. It's easy to avoid crashes if you're travelling on a perfectly straight road at the same speed as everyone around you with no changes in speed or lane, which is all that Autopilot does.
    - elif 4y ago
      ???? i've already explained that autopilot is capable of all highway conditions not straight lines... curved roads that split with multiple lanes, getting around slow traffic and avoiding fast traffic... i'm really not sure what your argument really is. What you are really explaining here is that you don't have experience with autopilot, or you would know these things.. maybe you've used driver assists from other companies which are as limited as in your imagination? you believe that autopilot doesnt change lanes? lol that's the main benefit. I hate merging into traffic, finding gaps, etc. that's why i have autopilot engaged on the entrance ramp... to do it for me. Average highway users aren't average highway users because "its easy"? so lets just add 3 orders of magnitude??? what kind of logic even gets you to that point... i've provided statistics to show my original argument, which was statistical safety... you are just using evidently ill-formed opinions and invented numbers
      - Gordonjcp 4y ago
        > Average highway users aren't average highway users because "its easy"? Maybe the standard of driving in the UK is several orders of magnitude better than it is in the US. I've driven a Tesla with Autopilot, and it simply didn't feel safe to let it do its thing, and it gave up as soon as it saw anything it didn't like, like maybe a junction or a vehicle changing lanes.
        elif 4y ago
        I don't know why you insist on inventing orders of magnitude for each opinion ... Is this hyperbole I'm not picking up on? Maybe the vintage accounts for our disparity of experience? I took a 2000km road trip to the Austin GP last year. Texas is known for agressive drivers. It never disengaged because of a vehicle changing lanes, or because of a road union.

by elif 4y ago

elif 4y ago

Im downvoted for using level 2 with my hands? Or for recognizing its safety value? Or for agreeing with the authors assesment of buttieg's appointment?

Gordonjcp 4y ago

> I use autopilot responsibly and appreciate that statistically it is reducing my odds of death I don't think it really does, does it? I thought that "Autopilot" basically only worked on highways in fairly unsurprising conditions?

elif 4y ago
Autopilot crash statistics for last quarter were one crash per 4.97M miles driven. National average crash statistics for that quarter were one crash per 484K miles driven. Even if you consider that accidents are 3x less likely to occur on highways and boost that to 1.5M, that is still a multi-times safety factor. A lot of accidents on highways occur because of aggressive or negligent driving. It's really not hard to beat humans so this shouldn't be a shocking find. I'm not sure what you mean by "in unsurprising conditions" I turn on autopilot on the entry ramp, and disable it on the exit ramp. I would instead characterize that as "all highway conditions"
- Gordonjcp 4y ago
  Okay, but that 3x should be 3000x, because people don't get in crashes in the conditions in which "Autopilot" actually works. It's easy to avoid crashes if you're travelling on a perfectly straight road at the same speed as everyone around you with no changes in speed or lane, which is all that Autopilot does.
  - elif 4y ago
    ???? i've already explained that autopilot is capable of all highway conditions not straight lines... curved roads that split with multiple lanes, getting around slow traffic and avoiding fast traffic... i'm really not sure what your argument really is. What you are really explaining here is that you don't have experience with autopilot, or you would know these things.. maybe you've used driver assists from other companies which are as limited as in your imagination? you believe that autopilot doesnt change lanes? lol that's the main benefit. I hate merging into traffic, finding gaps, etc. that's why i have autopilot engaged on the entrance ramp... to do it for me. Average highway users aren't average highway users because "its easy"? so lets just add 3 orders of magnitude??? what kind of logic even gets you to that point... i've provided statistics to show my original argument, which was statistical safety... you are just using evidently ill-formed opinions and invented numbers
    - Gordonjcp 4y ago
      > Average highway users aren't average highway users because "its easy"? Maybe the standard of driving in the UK is several orders of magnitude better than it is in the US. I've driven a Tesla with Autopilot, and it simply didn't feel safe to let it do its thing, and it gave up as soon as it saw anything it didn't like, like maybe a junction or a vehicle changing lanes.
      - elif 4y ago
        I don't know why you insist on inventing orders of magnitude for each opinion ... Is this hyperbole I'm not picking up on? Maybe the vintage accounts for our disparity of experience? I took a 2000km road trip to the Austin GP last year. Texas is known for agressive drivers. It never disengaged because of a vehicle changing lanes, or because of a road union.