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You should talk to people in Houston. It effectively has no zoning which means you get oil processing plants built next door to elementary schools. The Austri

You should talk to people in Houston. It effectively has no zoning which means you get oil processing plants built next door to elementary schools. The Austrian Economists will jump in here and say that's why certain private property developments buy the equivalent of "sky rights" (or "land rights" I guess) with adjoining properties to effectively create their own zoning.

burlesona 4y ago
This is an incorrect urban myth. Oil plants don’t just get built wherever, and there are a lot of common sense provisions in Houston like limits on what can be built close to schools, even though the city doesn’t have zoning. It’s flat and ugly there, but surprisingly socially vibrant, open, and interesting in large part because barriers to entry are so low and life is so affordable.
- inamberclad 4y ago
  Seconded. I've been here for two years and I'm moving out because it's hot, humid, ugly, and car culture is brutal. However, it's a place where it's easy to get your feet under you and live a good life with interesting things. However, I can't recommend the suburbs - especially Clear Lake. They're the worst, most inescapably bland places I've ever seen.
barbacoa 4y ago
Being down the street from oil refinery is a small price to pay for a $300k median priced housing.
_-david-_ 4y ago
>you get oil processing plants built next door to elementary schools Do you have any examples? This doesn't seem likely to me.
epistasis 4y ago
LA has zoning yet still places health destroying oil wells right next to housing and schools and retail. Houston may not have zoning but it has plenty of code that mandate car dependency and huge amounts of driving and therefore suburban blandness. Regulation versus deregulation is a barren framing, the real problem is absolutely terrible urban planning rules in the US that have created our bad situations. As a field, it would probably be better if it never existed.

burlesona 4y ago

This is an incorrect urban myth. Oil plants don’t just get built wherever, and there are a lot of common sense provisions in Houston like limits on what can be built close to schools, even though the city doesn’t have zoning. It’s flat and ugly there, but surprisingly socially vibrant, open, and interesting in large part because barriers to entry are so low and life is so affordable.

inamberclad 4y ago
Seconded. I've been here for two years and I'm moving out because it's hot, humid, ugly, and car culture is brutal. However, it's a place where it's easy to get your feet under you and live a good life with interesting things. However, I can't recommend the suburbs - especially Clear Lake. They're the worst, most inescapably bland places I've ever seen.

barbacoa 4y ago

Being down the street from oil refinery is a small price to pay for a $300k median priced housing.

_-david-_ 4y ago

>you get oil processing plants built next door to elementary schools Do you have any examples? This doesn't seem likely to me.

epistasis 4y ago

LA has zoning yet still places health destroying oil wells right next to housing and schools and retail. Houston may not have zoning but it has plenty of code that mandate car dependency and huge amounts of driving and therefore suburban blandness. Regulation versus deregulation is a barren framing, the real problem is absolutely terrible urban planning rules in the US that have created our bad situations. As a field, it would probably be better if it never existed.