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A large article and not a single mention of crime.

Overtonwindow 4y ago
I started to think that, but actually the last section of the article, is about crime. I think it’s quite weak however, crime is in my humble opinion the very central reason for the decline of downtown San Francisco.
- hindsightbias 4y ago
  Since correlation is causation, I blame WFH policies for higher crime.
- piperswe 4y ago
  Why do you say that? May 2022 had 14.9% less crime than May 2021 according to SFPD: https://public.tableau.com/shared/HP3P97STJ?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link&:embed=y https://public.tableau.com/shared/HP3P97STJ?:display_count=n... Source for that Tableau dash: https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crime-dashboard https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crim...
  - _-david-_ 4y ago
    It had 14.9% less reported crime, not necessarily less crime. San Francisco also had a decline in population so dropping crime numbers makes sense.
  - xboxnolifes 4y ago
    Why are we cherry picking a single month? Every other month this year has seen ~25% increase in theft over the previous year.
nathanaldensr 4y ago
We are living in an age of media ignoring elephants so large they've burst through the very walls of the house.
- nemothekid 4y ago
  It's strange that crime is simultaneously all the media ever talks about while also being elephant the media ignores. San Francisco is constantly lambasted mad max where the walgreens owner is being shaken down by the local crime syndicate but it's somehow an open secret that you only read about in top secret government files.
  - abxytg 4y ago
    The answer is easy. Crime is down and so not oft reported in articles like this. VC funded articles and social movements are loudly screaming about it. VC / billionaire fanboys are happy to pick up the slack in the comment section.
  - Gigachad 4y ago
    It's both. Some media spends every minute talking about it and some will completely ignore the topic even when its central to the topic being discussed. Also with social media, most people are seeing this themselves and bypassing commercial news.
    - nemothekid 4y ago
      It can't be both; crime cannot simultaneously be up and down.
      - Gigachad 4y ago
        Reporting of crime can be. Some news ignores it while some news overhypes it.
  - diogenescynic 4y ago
    Media isn't monolithic. Local media tends to ignore or downplay crime--I think in part because the writers are either insulated from it or have their own political biases. National media plays up the crime because they like to use SF as a whipping horse to say "see don't be like SF or your city will have full blown anarchy". SF is actually a huge anchor on national progressives because republicans can always point to SF and show how poorly policies have played out. If SF was as clean/safe as Copenhagen, it'd be a lot harder to make that argument. SF progressives are a different breed altogether though--it's all about scolding people and identity politics to distract from meaningful policies like universal healthcare, elder/child-care, etc.
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I started to think that, but actually the last section of the article, is about crime. I think it’s quite weak however, crime is in my humble opinion the very central reason for the decline of downtown San Francisco.

hindsightbias 4y ago
Since correlation is causation, I blame WFH policies for higher crime.
piperswe 4y ago
Why do you say that? May 2022 had 14.9% less crime than May 2021 according to SFPD: https://public.tableau.com/shared/HP3P97STJ?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link&:embed=y https://public.tableau.com/shared/HP3P97STJ?:display_count=n... Source for that Tableau dash: https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crime-dashboard https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crim...
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  It had 14.9% less reported crime, not necessarily less crime. San Francisco also had a decline in population so dropping crime numbers makes sense.
- xboxnolifes 4y ago
  Why are we cherry picking a single month? Every other month this year has seen ~25% increase in theft over the previous year.

nathanaldensr 4y ago

We are living in an age of media ignoring elephants so large they've burst through the very walls of the house.

nemothekid 4y ago
It's strange that crime is simultaneously all the media ever talks about while also being elephant the media ignores. San Francisco is constantly lambasted mad max where the walgreens owner is being shaken down by the local crime syndicate but it's somehow an open secret that you only read about in top secret government files.
- abxytg 4y ago
  The answer is easy. Crime is down and so not oft reported in articles like this. VC funded articles and social movements are loudly screaming about it. VC / billionaire fanboys are happy to pick up the slack in the comment section.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  It's both. Some media spends every minute talking about it and some will completely ignore the topic even when its central to the topic being discussed. Also with social media, most people are seeing this themselves and bypassing commercial news.
  - nemothekid 4y ago
    It can't be both; crime cannot simultaneously be up and down.
    - Gigachad 4y ago
      Reporting of crime can be. Some news ignores it while some news overhypes it.
- diogenescynic 4y ago
  Media isn't monolithic. Local media tends to ignore or downplay crime--I think in part because the writers are either insulated from it or have their own political biases. National media plays up the crime because they like to use SF as a whipping horse to say "see don't be like SF or your city will have full blown anarchy". SF is actually a huge anchor on national progressives because republicans can always point to SF and show how poorly policies have played out. If SF was as clean/safe as Copenhagen, it'd be a lot harder to make that argument. SF progressives are a different breed altogether though--it's all about scolding people and identity politics to distract from meaningful policies like universal healthcare, elder/child-care, etc.

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