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I got it this week. It's not really worth using in its current state. It makes minor mistakes every minute or two, major ones every five minutes or so. I bough

I got it this week. It's not really worth using in its current state. It makes minor mistakes every minute or two, major ones every five minutes or so. I bought it years ago mostly for the guaranteed computer upgrade and the novelty of testing it as it develops. It's great as a novelty, really cool! But it is dangerous to use right now, and I don't care what anyone says, it's not going to be truly ready for years. In fact I think it needs another computer upgrade and probably a camera upgrade too. I agree that they should have nailed autopark and summon before moving on to FSD. As it stands they are both useless. But if I could record and play back summon paths in known locations, that would be actually useful.

buffington 4y ago
> I bought it years ago mostly for the guaranteed computer upgrade and the novelty of testing it as it develops. I did the same, and it was significantly less expensive. I wouldn't buy it for a $1 today. Also, your idea of novelty is my idea of a nightmare. There has never been a time when I used it where it didn't do something completely insane. The last time I used it (which will truly be the last time), it waited patiently to make a left hand turn. It waited far longer than I would have, and it was clear of oncoming cars for ages. When it did decide to turn, it did it when there were several cars coming, though it was still safe. Except then half way through its turn, it literally stopped, then turned a bit to the right and centered itself in a lane going the opposite direction of traffic flow, right into oncoming cars. Thankfully I was able to take over and two of the three oncoming cars stopped. Had I done nothing, we would have all been in a head on collision. Never again.
- propogandist 4y ago
  doesn’t the car have multiple video cams built in? Take the footage and upload it online, if you have it. I see Elon constantly interacting with fanboys hyping up autopilot features. One would get the impression that all features were perfect with the hype videos online.
  - modeless 4y ago
    Not really. There is no shortage of YouTube videos of it doing stupid and dangerous things, mixed with boring regular driving. If you watch the popular YouTube channels it will give you a very accurate picture of how it works and fails. Based on that I had a very good idea of what to expect when I tried it out for the first time and my expectations turned out to be entirely accurate. It's really quite surprising how open Tesla is about it. They could have added all sorts of rules to the beta legal terms about publicity and posting videos. But they did nothing and have not tried to take down any of the many unflattering videos, or kick people out of the beta for posting them, AFAIK.
    - propogandist 4y ago
      >or kick people out of the beta for posting them, didn't they fire an employee because he posted a video that included some software flaws of Autopilot?
      - modeless 4y ago
        Customer and employee are different situations. He was a data labeler and test operator working on Autopilot, and he had a YouTube channel where he criticized Autopilot using the free FSD beta access he was granted as a Tesla employee, and sold "Full self-driving beta" branded merchandise. Tesla fired him for the conflict of interest and for dangerous use of Autopilot, and he lost his free FSD beta access. I think it is fair for a company to not want to further employ someone with a conflict of interest like that. But you'll note that they didn't make him take down the videos. And he's still making new ones.
- landemva 4y ago
  > it waited patiently to make a left hand turn. Having been in a t-bone collision (other driver's fault and he got his parole revoked for that) the USA government traffic engineer love affair with unsafe intersection design is horrific. Traffic circles fix most turning issues, and do it without a big control box and expensive poles for mounting signal lights. In other words, many collision chances could be removed with safer intersection design, with benefits to both computer control and human control.

buffington 4y ago

> I bought it years ago mostly for the guaranteed computer upgrade and the novelty of testing it as it develops. I did the same, and it was significantly less expensive. I wouldn't buy it for a $1 today. Also, your idea of novelty is my idea of a nightmare. There has never been a time when I used it where it didn't do something completely insane. The last time I used it (which will truly be the last time), it waited patiently to make a left hand turn. It waited far longer than I would have, and it was clear of oncoming cars for ages. When it did decide to turn, it did it when there were several cars coming, though it was still safe. Except then half way through its turn, it literally stopped, then turned a bit to the right and centered itself in a lane going the opposite direction of traffic flow, right into oncoming cars. Thankfully I was able to take over and two of the three oncoming cars stopped. Had I done nothing, we would have all been in a head on collision. Never again.

propogandist 4y ago
doesn’t the car have multiple video cams built in? Take the footage and upload it online, if you have it. I see Elon constantly interacting with fanboys hyping up autopilot features. One would get the impression that all features were perfect with the hype videos online.
- modeless 4y ago
  Not really. There is no shortage of YouTube videos of it doing stupid and dangerous things, mixed with boring regular driving. If you watch the popular YouTube channels it will give you a very accurate picture of how it works and fails. Based on that I had a very good idea of what to expect when I tried it out for the first time and my expectations turned out to be entirely accurate. It's really quite surprising how open Tesla is about it. They could have added all sorts of rules to the beta legal terms about publicity and posting videos. But they did nothing and have not tried to take down any of the many unflattering videos, or kick people out of the beta for posting them, AFAIK.
  - propogandist 4y ago
    >or kick people out of the beta for posting them, didn't they fire an employee because he posted a video that included some software flaws of Autopilot?
    - modeless 4y ago
      Customer and employee are different situations. He was a data labeler and test operator working on Autopilot, and he had a YouTube channel where he criticized Autopilot using the free FSD beta access he was granted as a Tesla employee, and sold "Full self-driving beta" branded merchandise. Tesla fired him for the conflict of interest and for dangerous use of Autopilot, and he lost his free FSD beta access. I think it is fair for a company to not want to further employ someone with a conflict of interest like that. But you'll note that they didn't make him take down the videos. And he's still making new ones.
landemva 4y ago
> it waited patiently to make a left hand turn. Having been in a t-bone collision (other driver's fault and he got his parole revoked for that) the USA government traffic engineer love affair with unsafe intersection design is horrific. Traffic circles fix most turning issues, and do it without a big control box and expensive poles for mounting signal lights. In other words, many collision chances could be removed with safer intersection design, with benefits to both computer control and human control.