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I think this is a blessing. Cities have been designed for commuters instead of the people living in them since white flight in the 20th century. Just look at al
by 1270018080 4y ago
I think this is a blessing. Cities have been designed for commuters instead of the people living in them since white flight in the 20th century. Just look at all of the metrics in the article. It's all about commuters and the city's dependence on them. Now, macroeconomic factors are forcing cities across the country to actually serve the people living in them. And it's great. Yeah there will be growing pains and this decade could get ugly, but the cities that come out of it healthy might be great places to live.
- systemvoltage 4y agoUhhh have you stepped into SF since 2010? It is an unmitigated disaster. No one wants to live there. Just had a friend that sold his condo and moved to San Diego.
- 1270018080 4y agoYes it sucks right now, because it was built for commuters and there aren't any. It may continue to suck for awhile, but the outcome of this bad period could be a place that's actually nice.
- systemvoltage 4y agoHard disagree. It is fucked up because we've allowed too many woke policies and gone soft on crime. It is simple as that. There is absolutely zero causation between "Built for commuters" and the absolute hell hole you've seen that is SF. I feel like this stance does a tremendous amount of disservice in identifying issues and making SF better. It is always scapegoated and never confronted head on. Scapegoats come in the form of: We're kind out here in SF, we are pro-homeless, homelessness is caused by inbound people from other states, etc. None of which are remotely true, but peddled repeatedly ad-nauseum.
- sammalloy 4y ago> There is absolutely zero causation between "Built for commuters" and the absolute hell hole you've seen that is SF. Except, the correlation is real and well known. > At least 550,476 people commute to jobs in San Francisco and San Mateo counties. When I lived in the city, I would often work downtown. When I would stay late, you would see up close and personal how the downtown area became a ghost town as the majority of people left the city for home. That’s both a brain, talent, and tax drain on the city, and represents a lost constituency that has no connection to local issues. This crazy idea that "woke" politics are somehow responsible for the rise in crime and the deterioration of living conditions is a talking point invented by Fox News. There is literally zero evidence for it. Boudin failed because the police admitted they refused to work with him. End of story.
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- hazyc 4y agoDo you even live here? Walk around the Marina, Pac Heights, Presidio, Noe Valley, etc etc and tell me with a straight face that it's an "unmitigated disaster". If you can afford to live here (i.e. you can afford to avoid 'downtown') then you would realize that it's one of the nicest cities in the world.
- systemvoltage 4y agoI wrote about my most recent visit here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31356169 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31356169 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31532901 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31532901 I live in Oakland which is fucked up in its own ways. You can't be taken seriously when you consider SF to be the nicest cities in the world. Try visiting Singapore or Tokyo or Melbourne.
- danielscrubs 4y agoI have the best corn flakes in the world, you just have to avoid the green moldy bits in it.
- SilasX 4y agoRio de Janeiro is great too, if you avoid the favelas.
- littlexsparkee 4y ago850,000 living there against their will, I presume? What is it about the city that makes people froth at the mouth? The ridiculous characterizations I read don't match what I see day-to-day at all
- systemvoltage 4y agoCBS News. San Francisco Luxury Condo Overlooks City's Worst Squalor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GbcWOGyuq0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GbcWOGyuq0 CBS News. KPIX Special Report: San Francisco's Tenderloin – A State of Emergency https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuWeMl2lCMM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuWeMl2lCMM ABC News. Here's why one of San Francisco's top officers says crime is here to stay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4112HGOCTQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4112HGOCTQ KRON 4. 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0UcFBeWrgU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0UcFBeWrgU Christopher Rufo. Chaos by the Bay: The Truth About Homelessness in San Francisco https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw8MACDZ3RI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw8MACDZ3RI NBC News. Saving San Francisco: Ep. 5 'Why Should I Live in Fear?' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZGNGJ-bIL4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZGNGJ-bIL4 There are probably hundreds of these clips. I am sure you can also dig up reasons why the DA was recalled. 850k people are unhappy. 40% of the residents want to leave: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/40-percent-san-francisco-residents-leave-quality-of-life https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/40-percent-san-franc... When close to half of the population of a city wants to leave, probably a good idea to accept what's wrong with the city and try to look inward.
- littlexsparkee 4y agoIf the poll routinely says 40% will leave and only 6.7% do when a pandemic makes the benefits of being here moot for 2 years, you should throw the poll out the window. What's more, labor force data shows most of those have returned. What is your agenda? Why do you people care so much? I'm well aware of the city's problems but there's no nuance in these discussions and it's tiring. I'm happy we'll have a new DA and hopefully the city will also make folks get mental health help when needed and get serious about building housing (i.e. get out of the way).
- teaearlgraycold 4y agoThere are some very nice neighborhoods in SF. I live in the 'burbs for a reason, but it's not an "unmitigated disaster".