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Ford, like GM, has a literal camera monitoring the driver's face so they can see if they are paying attention. Seeing what your face is doing is a much more rel

Ford, like GM, has a literal camera monitoring the driver's face so they can see if they are paying attention. Seeing what your face is doing is a much more reliable system of measuring attention than whether or not the driver is touching the steering wheel while reading their book.

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netsharc 4y ago
Doesn't Tesla have that too? Not that I trust Elonbois with a camera looking into my car, but hey, maybe someone will offer to buy me a horse...
- mceachen 4y ago
  No. See https://electrek.co/2021/01/20/tiktok-star-criminally-tesla-autopilot-posts-video-evidence/ https://electrek.co/2021/01/20/tiktok-star-criminally-tesla-... Edit: Sorry, I should have said _mostly no_. Last year they pushed an update to use the built-in cabin camera installed in 2021+ cars for "driver attentiveness." Compared to Ford and Cadillac's IR-illuminated driver attentiveness cameras pointed straight at your eyeballs and can see through sunglasses and works in the dark, the wide-angle cabin camera may not even see your face if you wear a hat, certainly _does not_ have a clear view of your pupils, and doesn't work in the dark or if you have dark glasses on. https://electrek.co/2021/05/27/tesla-releases-driver-monitoring-system-cabin-camera/ https://electrek.co/2021/05/27/tesla-releases-driver-monitor... https://electrek.co/2021/04/08/tesla-driver-monitoring-system-detect-driver-attention-real-time/ https://electrek.co/2021/04/08/tesla-driver-monitoring-syste...
  - netsharc 4y ago
    Yes. See https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-interior-cameras-driver-privacy-consumer-reports/ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-interior-cameras-dr...
    - brigade 4y ago
      Tesla's isn't good enough to replace wheel torque as an attention monitor, and they don't even pretend to (still requires wheel torque to keep FSD/autopilot enganged.) In particular, it has terrible night vision and no IR illumination so it can't see you well enough at night to work.
- Hypocritelefty 4y ago
- zaptrem 4y ago
  A some older Model S/X vehicles with Autopilot 2.0 hardware lacked driver-facing cameras, but modern ones, along with all Model 3/Y have them.
- lesgobrandon 4y ago

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netsharc 4y ago

Doesn't Tesla have that too? Not that I trust Elonbois with a camera looking into my car, but hey, maybe someone will offer to buy me a horse...

mceachen 4y ago
No. See https://electrek.co/2021/01/20/tiktok-star-criminally-tesla-autopilot-posts-video-evidence/ https://electrek.co/2021/01/20/tiktok-star-criminally-tesla-... Edit: Sorry, I should have said _mostly no_. Last year they pushed an update to use the built-in cabin camera installed in 2021+ cars for "driver attentiveness." Compared to Ford and Cadillac's IR-illuminated driver attentiveness cameras pointed straight at your eyeballs and can see through sunglasses and works in the dark, the wide-angle cabin camera may not even see your face if you wear a hat, certainly _does not_ have a clear view of your pupils, and doesn't work in the dark or if you have dark glasses on. https://electrek.co/2021/05/27/tesla-releases-driver-monitoring-system-cabin-camera/ https://electrek.co/2021/05/27/tesla-releases-driver-monitor... https://electrek.co/2021/04/08/tesla-driver-monitoring-system-detect-driver-attention-real-time/ https://electrek.co/2021/04/08/tesla-driver-monitoring-syste...
- netsharc 4y ago
  Yes. See https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-interior-cameras-driver-privacy-consumer-reports/ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-interior-cameras-dr...
  - brigade 4y ago
    Tesla's isn't good enough to replace wheel torque as an attention monitor, and they don't even pretend to (still requires wheel torque to keep FSD/autopilot enganged.) In particular, it has terrible night vision and no IR illumination so it can't see you well enough at night to work.
Hypocritelefty 4y ago
zaptrem 4y ago
A some older Model S/X vehicles with Autopilot 2.0 hardware lacked driver-facing cameras, but modern ones, along with all Model 3/Y have them.
lesgobrandon 4y ago