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This is not great advice, according to what we know from both the research literature and people who are successful in (and successful coaches of) barbell sport

This is not great advice, according to what we know from both the research literature and people who are successful in (and successful coaches of) barbell sport. Namely, it's too much intensity, and not enough variety and volume. One good reference to learn more is https://www.strongerbyscience.com/complete-strength-training-guide/ https://www.strongerbyscience.com/complete-strength-training..., and other articles on that site.

SoftTalker 4y ago
It's good advice for a novice (it's the Starting Strength program) because it's easy to remember and stick with. It's true it will only take you so far, and you will eventually need a more nuanced program depending on your goals.
- spekcular 4y ago
  The original poster did not have the "for a novice" qualifier.
  - andscoop 4y ago
    Right… anyone who wasn’t a novice, by definition, has their own routine/program.
    - andreareina 4y ago
      Greatly depends on your definition. In the communities I frequent "novice" means a strategy like that will still get you progression. There are also a lot of people complaining about having plateaued or even regressing but still sticking to non-periodized programs, i.e. they're intermediates trying to train like novices.
- andreareina 4y ago
  IMO the period through which SS is appropriate is shorter than the period over which it's effective. It's altogether too common for people to come to the conclusion that weight on the bar is the only progression that matters. Something like a double progression is almost as simple and at least introduces the idea that there are other dimensions that are worth progressing in. The other thing is that because novices can improve session to session, they can go a long time where they're legitimately close to their 5 rep max but don't have the practice to maintain good technique especially through the later sets, and end up ingraining bad practice. That eventuality of needing a more nuanced program comes before most novices realize it, and definitely before SS starts running out of steam.
gruez 4y ago
>One good reference to learn more is https://www.strongerbyscience.com/complete-strength-training https://www.strongerbyscience.com/complete-strength-training..., and other articles on that site. The site's author seems to have really done the research, but man he really needs to spend a bit more effort converting all that research into a one or two page summary. I just want to know what the most effective training strategy is, not when my tendon elasticity is dropping.

SoftTalker 4y ago

It's good advice for a novice (it's the Starting Strength program) because it's easy to remember and stick with. It's true it will only take you so far, and you will eventually need a more nuanced program depending on your goals.

spekcular 4y ago
The original poster did not have the "for a novice" qualifier.
- andscoop 4y ago
  Right… anyone who wasn’t a novice, by definition, has their own routine/program.
  - andreareina 4y ago
    Greatly depends on your definition. In the communities I frequent "novice" means a strategy like that will still get you progression. There are also a lot of people complaining about having plateaued or even regressing but still sticking to non-periodized programs, i.e. they're intermediates trying to train like novices.
andreareina 4y ago
IMO the period through which SS is appropriate is shorter than the period over which it's effective. It's altogether too common for people to come to the conclusion that weight on the bar is the only progression that matters. Something like a double progression is almost as simple and at least introduces the idea that there are other dimensions that are worth progressing in. The other thing is that because novices can improve session to session, they can go a long time where they're legitimately close to their 5 rep max but don't have the practice to maintain good technique especially through the later sets, and end up ingraining bad practice. That eventuality of needing a more nuanced program comes before most novices realize it, and definitely before SS starts running out of steam.

gruez 4y ago

>One good reference to learn more is https://www.strongerbyscience.com/complete-strength-training https://www.strongerbyscience.com/complete-strength-training..., and other articles on that site. The site's author seems to have really done the research, but man he really needs to spend a bit more effort converting all that research into a one or two page summary. I just want to know what the most effective training strategy is, not when my tendon elasticity is dropping.