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why stop there? get them to install linux on their pc, help them tunnel through Tor and setup pgp for them.

by treme 4y ago

rglullis 4y ago
Baby steps... Baby steps... Seriously, though. My mother, well in her 60's and far from being a tech-savvy person, managed to install Element and login to her account simply by following the instructions on the email I sent her when I signed her up. The whole thing with saving recovery key is a bit confusing, but not a showstopper. I don't get why people need to act like they can't even try a different service.There was life before WhatsApp, there can be life without it. Worst case scenario, you tried something new.
GWBullshit 4y ago
Yeah, no. You even so much as search for TOR on a search engine, you're on a list. You go to their site, you're on another list. You click the "download" part of the page, you're on another list. You click "download", you're on another list. You open up the package in your downloads folder, you're on another list. You install the package contents, you're on another list. You run it, you're on another list. People who never gave much thought to who developed TOR and believe it offers "privacy" have got to be among some of the most naive tech users to exist.
- rglullis 4y ago
  Then yet another reason to encourage everyone to do it. A list where half of the world can be found is as good as no list at all.
  - GWBullshit 4y ago
    I sorta get your point; there was some tech freedom advocate or something during the early 2000s that offered a free script on his website which would automatically auto-meta-tag/SEO optimize your site with a small essay's worth of every conceivable flag word/term/name you could imagine; his proposal was similar: if everything gets flagged as a priority to have a human analyst scrutinize it, then by definition nothing could be a priority any more. I can't help but wonder if "they" didn't start a separate list altogether with his name at the top.
- 29083011397778 4y ago
  I agree, but this is both a different threat model, as well as running into "Too much data leaving you with a haystack worth of needles" kind of thing. I mean just in general, Canada is on a list [0]. Not just some citizens or government officials, but the nation itself. [0] https://www.wksu.org/government-politics/2022-06-02/ohio-house-republicans-vote-to-put-canada-on-a-federal-watch-list https://www.wksu.org/government-politics/2022-06-02/ohio-hou...
  - GWBullshit 4y ago
    This made me laugh; thank you. It's totally Trudeau, Canada needs to be closely scrutinized – some very dangerous things have been happening there over the last half-decade or so, and not just in a religious sense.

why stop there? get them to install linux on their pc, help them tunnel through Tor and setup pgp for them.

by treme 4y ago

why stop there? get them to install linux on their pc, help them tunnel through Tor and setup pgp for them.

Baby steps... Baby steps... Seriously, though. My mother, well in her 60's and far from being a tech-savvy person, managed to install Element and login to her account simply by following the instructions on the email I sent her when I signed her up. The whole thing with saving recovery key is a bit confusing, but not a showstopper. I don't get why people need to act like they can't even try a different service.There was life before WhatsApp, there can be life without it. Worst case scenario, you tried something new.

GWBullshit 4y ago

Yeah, no. You even so much as search for TOR on a search engine, you're on a list. You go to their site, you're on another list. You click the "download" part of the page, you're on another list. You click "download", you're on another list. You open up the package in your downloads folder, you're on another list. You install the package contents, you're on another list. You run it, you're on another list. People who never gave much thought to who developed TOR and believe it offers "privacy" have got to be among some of the most naive tech users to exist.

rglullis 4y ago
Then yet another reason to encourage everyone to do it. A list where half of the world can be found is as good as no list at all.
- GWBullshit 4y ago
  I sorta get your point; there was some tech freedom advocate or something during the early 2000s that offered a free script on his website which would automatically auto-meta-tag/SEO optimize your site with a small essay's worth of every conceivable flag word/term/name you could imagine; his proposal was similar: if everything gets flagged as a priority to have a human analyst scrutinize it, then by definition nothing could be a priority any more. I can't help but wonder if "they" didn't start a separate list altogether with his name at the top.
29083011397778 4y ago
I agree, but this is both a different threat model, as well as running into "Too much data leaving you with a haystack worth of needles" kind of thing. I mean just in general, Canada is on a list [0]. Not just some citizens or government officials, but the nation itself. [0] https://www.wksu.org/government-politics/2022-06-02/ohio-house-republicans-vote-to-put-canada-on-a-federal-watch-list https://www.wksu.org/government-politics/2022-06-02/ohio-hou...
- GWBullshit 4y ago
  This made me laugh; thank you. It's totally Trudeau, Canada needs to be closely scrutinized – some very dangerous things have been happening there over the last half-decade or so, and not just in a religious sense.