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You're having 60 minutes of issues every few weeks? And you think something isn't done poorly? That's way too long.

icedchai 4y ago
The only meaningful change I ever saw come out of a "retro" was making daily standups async twice a week (done over Slack.) Then the manager didn't like that, so it was rolled back. Most of the retros I'd just roll my eyes at. "What can we do differently?" cancel the retros...
- dubswithus 4y ago
  Haha. Tell them we can't do anything differently because that would mess up the meticulous Jira/Agile flow we've setup in other meetings and have affirmed in retros.
treis 4y ago
Pretty sure I said 30-60 minutes. We also don't just talk about issues. We talk about wins and things that go well too.
- dubswithus 4y ago
  I'm pretty sure 60 is within 30-60. > We talk about wins and things that go well too. It's a tactic for managers to feel better about themselves. Look, the team is expressing gratitude! I'm a success as a manager! If you want to thank someone message them on Slack. We don't need a 30 (or 60) minute meeting for an enforced feel good moment.
  - treis 4y ago
    >I'm pretty sure 60 is within 30-60. Uh hu, but since I gave a range obviously we don't have 60 minutes of issues every week. If I meant that, I would have said we have 60 minutes of issues every week instead of giving a range for the meeting length. >It's a tactic for managers to feel better about themselves. Look, the team is expressing gratitude! I'm a success as a manager! If you want to thank someone message them on Slack. We don't need a 30 (or 60) minute meeting for an enforced feel good moment. You're projecting so hard here. (1) We didn't have a manager for a couple months now and retros went on unchanged. (2) Talking about wins isn't an enforced feel good moment. It's about identifying things that worked well so that the team can continue doing them. Your position is extreme and not everyone feels the same as you.
    - dubswithus 4y ago
      I am giving my experience and you call it projecting? That’s an interesting debate tactic. The team doesn’t constantly need to reinforce what is working. That is self-evident and could be an email or slack message. I’m done with this thread.
      - treis 4y ago
        >I am giving my experience and you call it projecting? That’s an interesting debate tactic. Taking your experience and making definitive statements is the definition of projection. >The team doesn’t constantly need to reinforce what is working. That is self-evident and could be an email or slack message. So you say. Obviously other people disagree

The only meaningful change I ever saw come out of a "retro" was making daily standups async twice a week (done over Slack.) Then the manager didn't like that, so it was rolled back. Most of the retros I'd just roll my eyes at. "What can we do differently?" cancel the retros...

dubswithus 4y ago
Haha. Tell them we can't do anything differently because that would mess up the meticulous Jira/Agile flow we've setup in other meetings and have affirmed in retros.

treis 4y ago

Pretty sure I said 30-60 minutes. We also don't just talk about issues. We talk about wins and things that go well too.

dubswithus 4y ago
I'm pretty sure 60 is within 30-60. > We talk about wins and things that go well too. It's a tactic for managers to feel better about themselves. Look, the team is expressing gratitude! I'm a success as a manager! If you want to thank someone message them on Slack. We don't need a 30 (or 60) minute meeting for an enforced feel good moment.
- treis 4y ago
  >I'm pretty sure 60 is within 30-60. Uh hu, but since I gave a range obviously we don't have 60 minutes of issues every week. If I meant that, I would have said we have 60 minutes of issues every week instead of giving a range for the meeting length. >It's a tactic for managers to feel better about themselves. Look, the team is expressing gratitude! I'm a success as a manager! If you want to thank someone message them on Slack. We don't need a 30 (or 60) minute meeting for an enforced feel good moment. You're projecting so hard here. (1) We didn't have a manager for a couple months now and retros went on unchanged. (2) Talking about wins isn't an enforced feel good moment. It's about identifying things that worked well so that the team can continue doing them. Your position is extreme and not everyone feels the same as you.
  - dubswithus 4y ago
    I am giving my experience and you call it projecting? That’s an interesting debate tactic. The team doesn’t constantly need to reinforce what is working. That is self-evident and could be an email or slack message. I’m done with this thread.
    - treis 4y ago
      >I am giving my experience and you call it projecting? That’s an interesting debate tactic. Taking your experience and making definitive statements is the definition of projection. >The team doesn’t constantly need to reinforce what is working. That is self-evident and could be an email or slack message. So you say. Obviously other people disagree