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There are also comments that disapper, yet still visible at user's comments history.

by slaw 4y ago

Cpoll 4y ago
Is that different than 'dead' comments (only visible if 'showdead: yes' in settings)?
- slaw 4y ago
  These comments are not visible with showdead:yes. They are detached from article.
  - dahart 4y ago
    The difference between flagged-dead items and detached items is that flagging is done by the community for any reason, while detaching is done by moderators to fix specific problems. Flagging might be gamed but usually isn’t from what I’ve seen, and HN actively tries to detect gaming. OTOH, moderation is always done manually and thoughtfully. (And, most importantly, there is a human who will listen to appeals about either.)
daedalus_f 4y ago
Interesting, I've not read about that on the various lists of HN undocumented features like [1], not that that means it does not happen. Do you have an example? [1] https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#second-chance-pool https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#second...
- slaw 4y ago
  See my reply to comment about Estonia.
  - daedalus_f 4y ago
    I can see that users comments both when I go from their comments list and also when I go directly to the posts comment section. Is there something I am missing? It doesn’t seem to be downvoted or dead and has multiple replies.
swayvil 4y ago
Thay call that "shadow removal" in redditland. From the perpective of the guy who posted it, everything's kosher, just nobody's replying for some reason. From the perspective of everyone else in the forum there's no post. Ostensibly a way of managing spam while depriving the spammer of informative feedback. In practice a method of censorship with extra "screw you" on top.
- slaw 4y ago
  HN censors heavily politics, economy and covid. See my comment about Estonia. I was shadow banned on Electrec, Tesla fan forum. My comments were visible when I was logged in, but gone when not logged.
  - swayvil 4y ago
    HN censors unpopular opinions too. Some of us express our disagreement with a reply by downvoting and flagging. HN responds to that by rendering your reply progressively invisible. Throttling your speech. Shadow removal. And shadow ban. (While avoiding responsibility for the censorship, if you see what I mean)
    - charcircuit 4y ago
      Throttling comes with your comments also being deranked. I wish the throttling error would at least tell you when you are able to post again.
      - swayvil 4y ago
        Zero explanation appears to be the popular policy with all of our social media overlords.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  'shadow banning' is just another method of avoiding responsebility and scrutiny, and stifling dissent. Goes with the times. Just like not exaplaining reasons for banning what's app account, makin vague TOS, keeping salaries secret, it's the antithesys of a fair and just society.

There are also comments that disapper, yet still visible at user's comments history.

by slaw 4y ago

There are also comments that disapper, yet still visible at user's comments history.

Cpoll 4y ago

Is that different than 'dead' comments (only visible if 'showdead: yes' in settings)?

slaw 4y ago
These comments are not visible with showdead:yes. They are detached from article.
- dahart 4y ago
  The difference between flagged-dead items and detached items is that flagging is done by the community for any reason, while detaching is done by moderators to fix specific problems. Flagging might be gamed but usually isn’t from what I’ve seen, and HN actively tries to detect gaming. OTOH, moderation is always done manually and thoughtfully. (And, most importantly, there is a human who will listen to appeals about either.)

daedalus_f 4y ago

Interesting, I've not read about that on the various lists of HN undocumented features like [1], not that that means it does not happen. Do you have an example? [1] https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#second-chance-pool https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#second...

slaw 4y ago
See my reply to comment about Estonia.
- daedalus_f 4y ago
  I can see that users comments both when I go from their comments list and also when I go directly to the posts comment section. Is there something I am missing? It doesn’t seem to be downvoted or dead and has multiple replies.

swayvil 4y ago

Thay call that "shadow removal" in redditland. From the perpective of the guy who posted it, everything's kosher, just nobody's replying for some reason. From the perspective of everyone else in the forum there's no post. Ostensibly a way of managing spam while depriving the spammer of informative feedback. In practice a method of censorship with extra "screw you" on top.

slaw 4y ago
HN censors heavily politics, economy and covid. See my comment about Estonia. I was shadow banned on Electrec, Tesla fan forum. My comments were visible when I was logged in, but gone when not logged.
- swayvil 4y ago
  HN censors unpopular opinions too. Some of us express our disagreement with a reply by downvoting and flagging. HN responds to that by rendering your reply progressively invisible. Throttling your speech. Shadow removal. And shadow ban. (While avoiding responsibility for the censorship, if you see what I mean)
  - charcircuit 4y ago
    Throttling comes with your comments also being deranked. I wish the throttling error would at least tell you when you are able to post again.
    - swayvil 4y ago
      Zero explanation appears to be the popular policy with all of our social media overlords.
ClumsyPilot 4y ago
'shadow banning' is just another method of avoiding responsebility and scrutiny, and stifling dissent. Goes with the times. Just like not exaplaining reasons for banning what's app account, makin vague TOS, keeping salaries secret, it's the antithesys of a fair and just society.