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Touch Bar was an absolute failure on every level, thankfully Apple backtracked on it.

gamache 4y ago
They did, and then they didn't. https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/13-inch https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/13-inch
- jen729w 4y ago
  I think they’re just selling out that hardware because they made a quantity of the cases and Tim insists on running them out. I’d be stunned if any new Touch Bars had been manufactured in the last 18 months.
leoff 4y ago
I actually found it nice when using the debugger in VScode. Having the buttons for play/pause, skip line, etc make life easier.
CharlesW 4y ago
I always thought it was quite nice to have what's effectively an Elgato Stream Deck (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31528895 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31528895) built into my keyboard. It was certainly much better than fixed icons, which are in turn far more discoverable than numbered mystery keys. Apple's only real mistake was not keeping ESC a fixed hard key.
- andrewnicolalde 4y ago
  > Apple's only real mistake was not keeping ESC a fixed hard key. They’ve added that back for a few years now, but I agree. I used to own one of the 2016 MBPs with a Touch Bar and the lack of a physical escape key drove me insane. Even though I sold that laptop, I had actual while-asleep nightmares about the horrifically bad keyboard for a while too.
- wtallis 4y ago
  Even with a physical escape key, the touch bar is still a frequent source of frustration. I think it could only be made acceptable by integrating the haptic elements used in their trackpads, so that accidental light touching of an active region of the touchbar would no longer trigger unintended actions. Haptic feedback might have even made it possible to disambiguate which virtual button your finger landed on before applying enough force to trigger an action.
- miked85 4y ago
  It was more than the ESC key imo, though that was my biggest complaint. It was far too easy to mistakenly hit the touch bar and trigger something unintended. I also found zero real use for it aside from looking nice.

They did, and then they didn't. https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/13-inch https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/13-inch

jen729w 4y ago
I think they’re just selling out that hardware because they made a quantity of the cases and Tim insists on running them out. I’d be stunned if any new Touch Bars had been manufactured in the last 18 months.

leoff 4y ago

I actually found it nice when using the debugger in VScode. Having the buttons for play/pause, skip line, etc make life easier.

CharlesW 4y ago

I always thought it was quite nice to have what's effectively an Elgato Stream Deck (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31528895 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31528895) built into my keyboard. It was certainly much better than fixed icons, which are in turn far more discoverable than numbered mystery keys. Apple's only real mistake was not keeping ESC a fixed hard key.

andrewnicolalde 4y ago
> Apple's only real mistake was not keeping ESC a fixed hard key. They’ve added that back for a few years now, but I agree. I used to own one of the 2016 MBPs with a Touch Bar and the lack of a physical escape key drove me insane. Even though I sold that laptop, I had actual while-asleep nightmares about the horrifically bad keyboard for a while too.
wtallis 4y ago
Even with a physical escape key, the touch bar is still a frequent source of frustration. I think it could only be made acceptable by integrating the haptic elements used in their trackpads, so that accidental light touching of an active region of the touchbar would no longer trigger unintended actions. Haptic feedback might have even made it possible to disambiguate which virtual button your finger landed on before applying enough force to trigger an action.
miked85 4y ago
It was more than the ESC key imo, though that was my biggest complaint. It was far too easy to mistakenly hit the touch bar and trigger something unintended. I also found zero real use for it aside from looking nice.