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Because we know that Covid kills people (more than a million in the US), and there is very little evidence that Covid vaccines have killed people ( likely fewer

Because we know that Covid kills people (more than a million in the US), and there is very little evidence that Covid vaccines have killed people ( likely fewer than 100 deaths in the US).

daenz 4y ago
In your eyes, what would constitute as evidence, and how would it manifest in the world?
t0bia_s 4y ago
How many dead people of covid/vaccine you know personally? That should be more valid source of information for you.
logicchains 4y ago
>Because we know that Covid kills people (more than a million in the US), and there is very little evidence that Covid vaccines have killed people The US VAERS vaccine adverse reporting system reports over ten thousand deaths post covid-vaccine, over two orders of magnitude more than reported for previous vaccines (including the flu vaccines which half of Americans take annually). Now, this does not imply causation, only autopsies can determine that, but for some reason in the US autopsies have not been done. In Germany, renowned pathologist Dr. Peter Schirmacher (acting chairman of the German Society of Pathology, director of the Institute of Pathology at Heidelberg University Hospital, and president of the German Association for the Study of the Liver) did conduct such autopsies, and found that 30-40% of the deaths following soon after vaccination were indeed caused by the vaccine.
- inferiorhuman 4y ago
  > Now, this does not imply causation Not only does it not imply causation it doesn't even imply correlation. If you got the vaccine and were subsequently hit by a truck you could end up in VAERS. > found that 30-40% of the deaths following soon after vaccination were indeed caused by the vaccine No, they didn't.
native_samples 4y ago
Sadly there is lots of evidence that vaccines can kill people. Obviously, there's the primary reports from people saying "the vaccine killed someone I know" and the medical experts denying everything, e.g this 29 year old man: e.g. https://openvaers.com/covid-data/covid-reports/2251260 https://openvaers.com/covid-data/covid-reports/2251260 "On 06-Feb-2022, the patient received the 3rd vaccination with this vaccine. Pyrexia of 39 degrees Celsius developed. The patient took loxoprofen sodium hydrate, and the symptoms subsided. On 08-Feb-2022, around 20:00, the patient was confirmed as alive. Myocarditis developed. On 09-Feb-2022, at 07:00, the patient was found dead in the room. On an unknown date, autopsy was performed. No dissection was performed. The outcome of pyrexia was reported as resolved. The outcome of myocarditis was reported as fatal. Follow-up investigation will be made. Company Comment: The events developed after the administration of ELASOMERAN and there is temporal relationship. Reporter's Comments: Since no electrocardiogram was performed during the medical examination, the condition of the heart is unknown. There is no lesion in the brain such as subarachnoid hemorrhage. As CT scan showed no remarkable findings, the causality between this vaccine and death is considered unknown." (n.b. Elasomeran is the Moderna vaccine). There are ~28,000 like that in VAERS and more in other countries equivalents. The party line on these reports is they're all written by fools and things like a healthy 29 year old dying of myocarditis just days after taking a vaccine known to cause exactly that problem, is simply "unknown causality" and a coincidence that tells us nothing. Unfortunately there's also the correlation with excess deaths. https://bartram.substack.com/p/increased-deaths-in-england-for-the?s=r https://bartram.substack.com/p/increased-deaths-in-england-f... "I note that we managed to get through the Omicron wave in the UK with normal levels of excess deaths in those aged 75-85, but as soon as the booster doses were rolled out we rapidly hit the threshold for a ‘substantial increase’." People who are trying to convince themselves and others that this is all just mysteriously undetectable COVID need to explain why the correlations are wrong.
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- gpu_explorer 4y ago
  Who is allowed to submit reports to VAERS? How many of the 28,000 reports in VAERS are deaths?

Because we know that Covid kills people (more than a million in the US), and there is very little evidence that Covid vaccines have killed people ( likely fewer than 100 deaths in the US).

daenz 4y ago

In your eyes, what would constitute as evidence, and how would it manifest in the world?

t0bia_s 4y ago

How many dead people of covid/vaccine you know personally? That should be more valid source of information for you.

logicchains 4y ago

>Because we know that Covid kills people (more than a million in the US), and there is very little evidence that Covid vaccines have killed people The US VAERS vaccine adverse reporting system reports over ten thousand deaths post covid-vaccine, over two orders of magnitude more than reported for previous vaccines (including the flu vaccines which half of Americans take annually). Now, this does not imply causation, only autopsies can determine that, but for some reason in the US autopsies have not been done. In Germany, renowned pathologist Dr. Peter Schirmacher (acting chairman of the German Society of Pathology, director of the Institute of Pathology at Heidelberg University Hospital, and president of the German Association for the Study of the Liver) did conduct such autopsies, and found that 30-40% of the deaths following soon after vaccination were indeed caused by the vaccine.

inferiorhuman 4y ago
> Now, this does not imply causation Not only does it not imply causation it doesn't even imply correlation. If you got the vaccine and were subsequently hit by a truck you could end up in VAERS. > found that 30-40% of the deaths following soon after vaccination were indeed caused by the vaccine No, they didn't.

native_samples 4y ago

Sadly there is lots of evidence that vaccines can kill people. Obviously, there's the primary reports from people saying "the vaccine killed someone I know" and the medical experts denying everything, e.g this 29 year old man: e.g. https://openvaers.com/covid-data/covid-reports/2251260 https://openvaers.com/covid-data/covid-reports/2251260 "On 06-Feb-2022, the patient received the 3rd vaccination with this vaccine. Pyrexia of 39 degrees Celsius developed. The patient took loxoprofen sodium hydrate, and the symptoms subsided. On 08-Feb-2022, around 20:00, the patient was confirmed as alive. Myocarditis developed. On 09-Feb-2022, at 07:00, the patient was found dead in the room. On an unknown date, autopsy was performed. No dissection was performed. The outcome of pyrexia was reported as resolved. The outcome of myocarditis was reported as fatal. Follow-up investigation will be made. Company Comment: The events developed after the administration of ELASOMERAN and there is temporal relationship. Reporter's Comments: Since no electrocardiogram was performed during the medical examination, the condition of the heart is unknown. There is no lesion in the brain such as subarachnoid hemorrhage. As CT scan showed no remarkable findings, the causality between this vaccine and death is considered unknown." (n.b. Elasomeran is the Moderna vaccine). There are ~28,000 like that in VAERS and more in other countries equivalents. The party line on these reports is they're all written by fools and things like a healthy 29 year old dying of myocarditis just days after taking a vaccine known to cause exactly that problem, is simply "unknown causality" and a coincidence that tells us nothing. Unfortunately there's also the correlation with excess deaths. https://bartram.substack.com/p/increased-deaths-in-england-for-the?s=r https://bartram.substack.com/p/increased-deaths-in-england-f... "I note that we managed to get through the Omicron wave in the UK with normal levels of excess deaths in those aged 75-85, but as soon as the booster doses were rolled out we rapidly hit the threshold for a ‘substantial increase’." People who are trying to convince themselves and others that this is all just mysteriously undetectable COVID need to explain why the correlations are wrong.

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gpu_explorer 4y ago
Who is allowed to submit reports to VAERS? How many of the 28,000 reports in VAERS are deaths?