I agree, thinking back to one project I led though, finding engineers who would have actual interest in the domain we operated in was tough. It was dry, tedious

I agree, thinking back to one project I led though, finding engineers who would have actual interest in the domain we operated in was tough. It was dry, tedious code in a legacy language (for sound business reasons!) It's sometimes tough. I managed to find compromise by working with ICs to make it interesting by engineering our way out of the boring through seriously cool automation. I can see how, in hindsight, that was a lucky move and I don't blame other managers in similar situations for hustling teams along with more process. It's the right call.