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> Pushing people out on the streets due to eye watering rents also literally drives people insane. I've seen handful of YouTube videos interviewing homeless pe

by itake 4y ago

> Pushing people out on the streets due to eye watering rents also literally drives people insane. I've seen handful of YouTube videos interviewing homeless people that were pushed out due to high prices and none of them seem the drug-addict pee-on-the-starbucks-floor type. I've seen videos about homeless camps that self-regulate drug free zones for non-addicts. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NXJAYUwlC8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NXJAYUwlC8 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9abrZwnPThE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9abrZwnPThE Definitely a sad situation, but functional people seem to try to continue to be functional. Hard worker being evicted for rent and resorting to drug use sounds like a nice narrative, but it feels fictional. Do you have any sources on people being evicted b/c of rent issues and becoming insane?

seadan83 4y ago
Most homeless people are living in hotels, with friends, or their cars (like 80%+). This should make sense as their are steps from houses to living on the streets. Just pointing out that our popular perception of a typical homeless person is skewed
pydry 4y ago
>I've seen handful of YouTube videos interviewing homeless people that were pushed out due to high prices and none of them seem the drug-addict pee-on-the-starbucks-floor type It takes a good number of years on the street to transition to that stage. >Hard worker being evicted for rent and resorting to drug use sounds like a nice narrative, but it feels fictional. Probably because there's an unholy amount of wealth and power pushing the narrative that the correlation flows the other way. A housing first approach to homelessness would depress property prices. Nobody owning a major media outlet wants that and they can shape what "feels real".
- itake 4y ago
  > It takes a good number of years on the street to transition to that stage. Do you have a source for this? > A housing first approach to homelessness would depress property prices. No amount of housing will cure drug addictions or mental health problems.
  - CRConrad 4y ago
    > No amount of housing will cure drug addictions or mental health problems. But the main part of problems -- for others, if not the drug addicts themselves -- caused by drug addiction are not direct but indirect: Crime (to get money for drugs) and "general nuisance" behaviour like peeing on the floor at Starbucks. More "liberal" drug policies (like, e.g, Portugal's?) would go a long way towards fixing the former; providing housing for the homeless would go a long way towards fixing the latter. Sure, it's "fixing the symptoms, not the disease" -- but since the "symptoms" seem to be a large (the largest?) part of the problem (it's them the OP article is about, and what we seem to dicussing here), fixing them kind of is fixing "the problem".

by itake 4y ago

seadan83 4y ago

Most homeless people are living in hotels, with friends, or their cars (like 80%+). This should make sense as their are steps from houses to living on the streets. Just pointing out that our popular perception of a typical homeless person is skewed

pydry 4y ago

>I've seen handful of YouTube videos interviewing homeless people that were pushed out due to high prices and none of them seem the drug-addict pee-on-the-starbucks-floor type It takes a good number of years on the street to transition to that stage. >Hard worker being evicted for rent and resorting to drug use sounds like a nice narrative, but it feels fictional. Probably because there's an unholy amount of wealth and power pushing the narrative that the correlation flows the other way. A housing first approach to homelessness would depress property prices. Nobody owning a major media outlet wants that and they can shape what "feels real".

itake 4y ago
> It takes a good number of years on the street to transition to that stage. Do you have a source for this? > A housing first approach to homelessness would depress property prices. No amount of housing will cure drug addictions or mental health problems.
- CRConrad 4y ago
  > No amount of housing will cure drug addictions or mental health problems. But the main part of problems -- for others, if not the drug addicts themselves -- caused by drug addiction are not direct but indirect: Crime (to get money for drugs) and "general nuisance" behaviour like peeing on the floor at Starbucks. More "liberal" drug policies (like, e.g, Portugal's?) would go a long way towards fixing the former; providing housing for the homeless would go a long way towards fixing the latter. Sure, it's "fixing the symptoms, not the disease" -- but since the "symptoms" seem to be a large (the largest?) part of the problem (it's them the OP article is about, and what we seem to dicussing here), fixing them kind of is fixing "the problem".