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clickbait title of a clickbait article better off reading the original thread https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/status/1535304943728414721 https://twitter.c

by tomp 4y ago

clickbait title of a clickbait article better off reading the original thread https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/status/1535304943728414721 https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/status/15353049437284147...

gnicholas 4y ago
Getting self-referential though — that tweet points to the prior HN thread!
version_five 4y ago
Thanks. In context this thread is a dupe of the thread referenced on Twitter (in which Armstrong links to the tweet in the top post). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31690452 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31690452
- dehrmann 4y ago
  I can't believe that got traction. I saw it and figured it was just some disgruntled employees in denial about the current state of the crypto space.
dehrmann 4y ago
I like a lot of what I see from the Coinbase CEO. This response was very reasonable, and I liked the "apolitical" stance the company took to focus on its mission, not political activism. I just don't like the company's industry and product.
- Ar-Curunir 4y ago
  The apolitical stance is nonsense given that the only reason Coinbase exists is due to the explicitly political actions of Satoshi and the early BTC community.
- BaseballPhysics 4y ago
  > This response was very reasonable, and I liked the "apolitical" stance the company took to focus on its mission, not political activism. That's a pretty funny statement given that the "mission" of the crypto world is an explicitly political one, overlapping significantly with extreme libertarian and anarchocapitalist movements.
  - x3n0ph3n3 4y ago
    Just because they engage in one, narrow political dialogue doesn't mean that have to or should engage in _every_ political dialogue.
    - okwubodu 4y ago
      Sure, but that’s more “my politics” than “apolitical”. Their messaging should reflect that.
      - x3n0ph3n3 4y ago
        The Coinbase CEO _did_ say that in his letter opposing talking politics internally that are not associated with the company's mission.
      - throwoutway 4y ago
        It’s more of “the company’s mission” rather than “my politics”. The employees signed a contract with a company not Brian
  - jokethrowaway 4y ago
    As an ancap I've plenty of friends who put everything in crypto and made ridiculous money and I'm sure they'll try to advance the cause - personally I don't buy the idea crypto is very much ancap and I'm pretty sure most people in crypto are in there just for speculation until the government comes to close everything (or make it useless with regulations). An ancap idea would be to create a private bank which creates a currency and back it with real goods. Anyway crypto would be at best a technical solution to a political problem (government existing) and you'll never fix a political problem with technology alone.
itsoktocry 4y ago
>clickbait title of a clickbait article The third tweet in the thread literally says: "Quit and find a company to work at that you believe in!" Do you know what "click bait" means?
- tomp 4y ago
  The thread contains much more context that the article ignores. Which is funny given that tweets (even threads) are generally much more condensed than articles. Yellow journalism at it’s finest.
  - itsoktocry 4y ago
    >The thread contains much more context that the article ignores. That doesn't make the title click bait. >Yellow journalism at it’s finest. Yes, we should only use unbiased sources, like the words of the CEO who oversaw an 80% drop in share price and whom the employees are trying to oust, who starts his thread with "This is dumb".
    - passivate 4y ago
      I don't think we should reward employees for bringing the stock up, but blame the CEO for when the stock drops. Its a team effort either way. >That doesn't make the title click bait. It does. Sensationalism and misleading headlines designed to drive an emotional response are considered click bait too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clickbait https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clickbait
tootie 4y ago
How is it clickbait if it's a verbatim quote? In context it means exactly what the headline says and the article does a pretty good job adding the context leading up to his tantrum. To me, it's extraordinarily immature leadership. He's on twitter fighting a PR campaign against his own shortcomings and throwing his employees under the bus. I went through something similar at a much more ethical company where the CEO absorbed public criticism and addressed by hosting all-hands and taking direct, unfiltered questions from employees and never said shit in public. People who were really being unreasonable got fired, several key people who sympathized with the dissenters quit as is their prerogative at any point. The ones who stayed really wanted the company to succeed and leadership very well knew it and respected it. Armstrong is very clearly saying "This is my company, not yours" which is technically true, but anathema to millenial ethics and I'd argue anathema to the founding principals of crypto. Mind you, this is all happening at a company that produces actual value as a top priority and isn't a just a platform to extract rents from suckers.
nunez 4y ago
I agree; this thread is very reasonable IMO.

by tomp 4y ago

gnicholas 4y ago

Getting self-referential though — that tweet points to the prior HN thread!

version_five 4y ago

Thanks. In context this thread is a dupe of the thread referenced on Twitter (in which Armstrong links to the tweet in the top post). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31690452 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31690452

dehrmann 4y ago
I can't believe that got traction. I saw it and figured it was just some disgruntled employees in denial about the current state of the crypto space.

dehrmann 4y ago

I like a lot of what I see from the Coinbase CEO. This response was very reasonable, and I liked the "apolitical" stance the company took to focus on its mission, not political activism. I just don't like the company's industry and product.

Ar-Curunir 4y ago
The apolitical stance is nonsense given that the only reason Coinbase exists is due to the explicitly political actions of Satoshi and the early BTC community.
BaseballPhysics 4y ago
> This response was very reasonable, and I liked the "apolitical" stance the company took to focus on its mission, not political activism. That's a pretty funny statement given that the "mission" of the crypto world is an explicitly political one, overlapping significantly with extreme libertarian and anarchocapitalist movements.
- x3n0ph3n3 4y ago
  Just because they engage in one, narrow political dialogue doesn't mean that have to or should engage in _every_ political dialogue.
  - okwubodu 4y ago
    Sure, but that’s more “my politics” than “apolitical”. Their messaging should reflect that.
    - x3n0ph3n3 4y ago
      The Coinbase CEO _did_ say that in his letter opposing talking politics internally that are not associated with the company's mission.
    - throwoutway 4y ago
      It’s more of “the company’s mission” rather than “my politics”. The employees signed a contract with a company not Brian
- jokethrowaway 4y ago
  As an ancap I've plenty of friends who put everything in crypto and made ridiculous money and I'm sure they'll try to advance the cause - personally I don't buy the idea crypto is very much ancap and I'm pretty sure most people in crypto are in there just for speculation until the government comes to close everything (or make it useless with regulations). An ancap idea would be to create a private bank which creates a currency and back it with real goods. Anyway crypto would be at best a technical solution to a political problem (government existing) and you'll never fix a political problem with technology alone.

itsoktocry 4y ago

>clickbait title of a clickbait article The third tweet in the thread literally says: "Quit and find a company to work at that you believe in!" Do you know what "click bait" means?

tomp 4y ago
The thread contains much more context that the article ignores. Which is funny given that tweets (even threads) are generally much more condensed than articles. Yellow journalism at it’s finest.
- itsoktocry 4y ago
  >The thread contains much more context that the article ignores. That doesn't make the title click bait. >Yellow journalism at it’s finest. Yes, we should only use unbiased sources, like the words of the CEO who oversaw an 80% drop in share price and whom the employees are trying to oust, who starts his thread with "This is dumb".
  - passivate 4y ago
    I don't think we should reward employees for bringing the stock up, but blame the CEO for when the stock drops. Its a team effort either way. >That doesn't make the title click bait. It does. Sensationalism and misleading headlines designed to drive an emotional response are considered click bait too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clickbait https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clickbait

tootie 4y ago

How is it clickbait if it's a verbatim quote? In context it means exactly what the headline says and the article does a pretty good job adding the context leading up to his tantrum. To me, it's extraordinarily immature leadership. He's on twitter fighting a PR campaign against his own shortcomings and throwing his employees under the bus. I went through something similar at a much more ethical company where the CEO absorbed public criticism and addressed by hosting all-hands and taking direct, unfiltered questions from employees and never said shit in public. People who were really being unreasonable got fired, several key people who sympathized with the dissenters quit as is their prerogative at any point. The ones who stayed really wanted the company to succeed and leadership very well knew it and respected it. Armstrong is very clearly saying "This is my company, not yours" which is technically true, but anathema to millenial ethics and I'd argue anathema to the founding principals of crypto. Mind you, this is all happening at a company that produces actual value as a top priority and isn't a just a platform to extract rents from suckers.

nunez 4y ago

I agree; this thread is very reasonable IMO.