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I think the anti-mall narrative is generally misplaced. Suburban malls were a mitigation of sprawl but are somehow viewed more as a direct symptom. Strip malls
by antiterra 4y ago
I think the anti-mall narrative is generally misplaced.
Suburban malls were a mitigation of sprawl but are somehow viewed more as a direct symptom. Strip malls continue to thrive, and the form where there are residences atop the commercial storefronts does little to improve the need to flit from parking lot to parking lot like consumerist pollinators. In Austin, there’s a huge amount of development at the mixed-use outdoor Domain, some calling it a second downtown. Yet, the thing is peppered with crowded roads. And, it does little to escape triple digit temperatures. It isn’t much of an improvement.
Enclosed urban shopping areas have been around for a long time, from covered arcades and indoor markets to underground malls in cities.
The PATH system in Toronto and RESO in Montreal create decentralized malls that are also ways to navigate a city on foot. Their creation was likely due to harsh winters more than concern about pedestrian traffic mixing with vehicles. They are, admittedly, kind of ugly and sometimes claustrophobic, but they are functional. I know there are underground malls in Manitoba cities for similar reason, but have never been.
I love transit oriented developments like the little villages along the MAX light rail in Portland, but I don’t think there’s any where near enough momentum to spark a fully transit based pattern of development like there has been in Japan. (Some possible reasons/differences are covered in https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352146520307067 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S235214652...)
- chrisco255 4y agoThe Domain seems to be better off than Barton Creek mall. Went there recently and a lot of stores were empty. Even Starbucks moved out.
- ghaff 4y agoMalls are generally dependent on anchor stores drawing traffic. And a lot of the historic anchor stores--in many cases department stores--have gone out of business or downsized. One pretty dead mall near me had a Penney's, a Sears, and a Macy's.
- antiterra 4y agoI agree, it is doing much better, it has hotels, large office spaces and housing. What it’s really missing is a larger car free area. The roads aren’t well designed for the volume of traffic they carry: busy crosswalks at four way stops. The drivers are also tense and frustrated and on the edge of road rage when it’s really busy.
- xg15 4y ago> Yet, the thing is peppered with crowded roads Not from the US, but: NYC has crowded roads crossing right through downtown. So does Paris and many other famously "walkable" european cities. I think while traffic is certainly relevant and it's always an improvement if it can be reduced, it's not what blocks an area from becoming walkable. It's more how much space the area affords for pedestrians next to the traffic: Can you get from A to B without detours and without danger? Can you cross the busy roads? Are there enough spaces to get away from the traffic?