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I don’t think I’m saying anything remotely controversial so I think the correct answer here is “Ok, you’re right.” (To be honest I think this is the correct ans

I don’t think I’m saying anything remotely controversial so I think the correct answer here is “Ok, you’re right.” (To be honest I think this is the correct answer because I believe you to be arguing in good faith and our disagreement is subtle)

ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
I don't think you're saying anything remotely _controversial_ either (unsupported is a different matter), and I haven't seen anyone offended or anything, so I hope I didn't give you that idea simply by disproving the hypotheses that "parenting doesn't matter" and the corollaries necessary for that narrowly-held hypothesis to be true.
- mikkergp 4y ago
  Itching for a fight? I don’t think I need data because my argument is a=b because a=b. People who do t think they need to change don’t think they need to change. People who do think they need to change do think they need to change. I’m open to the possibility that Mthese categories don’t exis. They are certainly not binary and not persistent over time. A person who didn’t need to change could become a person who does think they need to change and give versa. But maybe I’m completely wrong and there’s only one type of person I. This world, the type who knows all their faults. It’s also subjective, what person A sees as one category or the other person B sees as the opposite At some point this becomes an argument of “what is free will” and I don’t think we have the time to answer that one.
  - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
    Remember, the premise we're discussing is "parenting doesn't matter", so if you're the type who DOES think you need to change, this premise says, don't worry about changing, even then, because it won't matter. If you've previously engaged in corporal punishment with your kid, and you think, "maybe I shouldn't do this anymore", the "parenting doesn't matter" premise I'm arguing against says, "hey, don't worry about that! hit your kids! in fact, hit them harder if you want! it doesn't matter, because parenting doesn't matter!" so yeah, the "parenting doesn't matter" premise that most people here have said sounds ridiculous, does indeed sound ridiculous.

ImPostingOnHN 4y ago

I don't think you're saying anything remotely _controversial_ either (unsupported is a different matter), and I haven't seen anyone offended or anything, so I hope I didn't give you that idea simply by disproving the hypotheses that "parenting doesn't matter" and the corollaries necessary for that narrowly-held hypothesis to be true.

mikkergp 4y ago
Itching for a fight? I don’t think I need data because my argument is a=b because a=b. People who do t think they need to change don’t think they need to change. People who do think they need to change do think they need to change. I’m open to the possibility that Mthese categories don’t exis. They are certainly not binary and not persistent over time. A person who didn’t need to change could become a person who does think they need to change and give versa. But maybe I’m completely wrong and there’s only one type of person I. This world, the type who knows all their faults. It’s also subjective, what person A sees as one category or the other person B sees as the opposite At some point this becomes an argument of “what is free will” and I don’t think we have the time to answer that one.
- ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
  Remember, the premise we're discussing is "parenting doesn't matter", so if you're the type who DOES think you need to change, this premise says, don't worry about changing, even then, because it won't matter. If you've previously engaged in corporal punishment with your kid, and you think, "maybe I shouldn't do this anymore", the "parenting doesn't matter" premise I'm arguing against says, "hey, don't worry about that! hit your kids! in fact, hit them harder if you want! it doesn't matter, because parenting doesn't matter!" so yeah, the "parenting doesn't matter" premise that most people here have said sounds ridiculous, does indeed sound ridiculous.