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Another tweet thread lists the items which were sold on Etsy, saying the items he sold promoted, supported, or glorified hatred or violence towards protected gr

Another tweet thread lists the items which were sold on Etsy, saying the items he sold promoted, supported, or glorified hatred or violence towards protected groups, which Etsy describes as "including items ... demeaning or disparaging towards people based on ... gender identity". https://twitter.com/SwipeWright/status/1535374172683227136 https://twitter.com/SwipeWright/status/1535374172683227136 The graphics on the shirt include male/female gender icons with text "reality's last stand", text saying "thought criminal", and a comic along the lines of "if you yell at me, I'll disagree with you more". -- Those are all fairly inoffensive conservative opinions, or do you think it's reasonable for Etsy to ban him for listing those items? If there's no indication of other reasons he's getting banned, seems fair to call it a ridiculous banning.

sky-kedge0749 4y ago
The "Reality's Last Stand" Etsy stuff in your Twitter link is hate speech, since it implies being trans isn't a real thing. In terms of Etsy's "Anti-Discrimination and Hate Speech Policy" https://www.etsy.com/legal/policy/anti-discrimination-and-hate-speech/123551108902 https://www.etsy.com/legal/policy/anti-discrimination-and-ha... it's "demeaning language...directed at a person or group based on their one or more protected group attributes", in this case gender identity.
- bryanrasmussen 4y ago
  Ok, thanks I went and read some more seems about that's an accurate description of the reason he's being banned. on edit: I guess from what I read there it seems he's saying being male and female are biological categories, but he does not specify what kind of category transexuality would fall under, that is to say from looking at just that page not sure if he has said transexuality does not exist, only that it must be something different than the male and female categories. Which from what he writes seems that he wants these terms to mean 'born with male organs' and 'born with female organs' respectively.
  - sky-kedge0749 4y ago
    I don't know about this particular guy's opinions but usually what transphobes think is that there's no such thing as being transgender, trans men are actually women, trans women are actually men and in both cases they're either confused, misled, or, regarding trans women, predators planning to attack other women or outcompete them in sports or something like that.
    - shamir_pecan 4y ago
      Are all atheists religiophobic? Or do they just disagree with those who hold religious beliefs? It's the same principle for most gender critical people. In this case, Wright is both a biologist and an atheist, so he's rather predisposed to being sceptical of ideologies that aren't based in material reality, given his background.
- shamir_pecan 4y ago
  That's not hate speech, though I can see why some activists may wish to class it as such. Hate speech would be an incitement to violence, or saying awful, dehumanising things about people with a shared group characteristic. Merely exprsssing a point of view on sex versus gender identity isn't hate speech by any reasonable definition. And sex is also widely considered a protected characteristic - by the same logic, when trans rights activists assert their belief in the primacy of gender identity over sex, are they also committing an act of hate speech?

sky-kedge0749 4y ago

The "Reality's Last Stand" Etsy stuff in your Twitter link is hate speech, since it implies being trans isn't a real thing. In terms of Etsy's "Anti-Discrimination and Hate Speech Policy" https://www.etsy.com/legal/policy/anti-discrimination-and-hate-speech/123551108902 https://www.etsy.com/legal/policy/anti-discrimination-and-ha... it's "demeaning language...directed at a person or group based on their one or more protected group attributes", in this case gender identity.

bryanrasmussen 4y ago
Ok, thanks I went and read some more seems about that's an accurate description of the reason he's being banned. on edit: I guess from what I read there it seems he's saying being male and female are biological categories, but he does not specify what kind of category transexuality would fall under, that is to say from looking at just that page not sure if he has said transexuality does not exist, only that it must be something different than the male and female categories. Which from what he writes seems that he wants these terms to mean 'born with male organs' and 'born with female organs' respectively.
- sky-kedge0749 4y ago
  I don't know about this particular guy's opinions but usually what transphobes think is that there's no such thing as being transgender, trans men are actually women, trans women are actually men and in both cases they're either confused, misled, or, regarding trans women, predators planning to attack other women or outcompete them in sports or something like that.
  - shamir_pecan 4y ago
    Are all atheists religiophobic? Or do they just disagree with those who hold religious beliefs? It's the same principle for most gender critical people. In this case, Wright is both a biologist and an atheist, so he's rather predisposed to being sceptical of ideologies that aren't based in material reality, given his background.
shamir_pecan 4y ago
That's not hate speech, though I can see why some activists may wish to class it as such. Hate speech would be an incitement to violence, or saying awful, dehumanising things about people with a shared group characteristic. Merely exprsssing a point of view on sex versus gender identity isn't hate speech by any reasonable definition. And sex is also widely considered a protected characteristic - by the same logic, when trans rights activists assert their belief in the primacy of gender identity over sex, are they also committing an act of hate speech?